Have you played Baldur's Gate 1 & 2?

[toughnails]

If so, what are your thoughts on them and do you think they're worth playing?

[lemurs2]

BG1 is a good game, but I think Crpg's were still quite new and they were not sure what to do with them yet. BG2 is one of the best games ever made and superior to BG3 in all but graphics.

[Quillithe]

I think 2 is still very worth it if people can deal with the age

Personally 1 is very skippable. I didn't think it was particularly great then compared to the Dark Sun games and it really didn't age well

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by lemurs2:

BG1 is a good game, but I think Crpg's were still quite new and they were not sure what to do with them yet. BG2 is one of the best games ever made and superior to BG3 in all but graphics.

I dunno if I'd say CRPGs were that new, but they were more experimental, and BG1 was not one of the plot, quest, and character heavy ones so much so unless people really like RTwP it's iffy

[Chaosolous]

They have their place. If you can stomach older games (I prefer them most the time) then they're worth a go. They probably won't change your life though.

[Nameless Avatar]

Yes, I played BG 1 and 2 when they came out, as well as Planescape Torment. Another Infinity Engine classic from that era. BG1 was a good game in 1998 but probably has not aged well. BG2 on the other hand was amazing. The problem is, it's a continuation of the story from BG1. You could read up on the story for BG1 if you intend to play BG2, but it may not have the same impact.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

I tried to play them a bunch of times, because I really want to like them, but I can't get past the RTWP Combat.
If you can get over that system, and can get past the oldies style due to their age, they are definitely worth it, though.

[zero]

yes i have and no i dont.

i had fun with them, but much for the same reason i dont play pong i wouldn't play bg1/2 again: the gameplay does not keep up, and in a bad way, my rose tinted goggles cannot cover that up.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Nameless Avatar:

Yes, I played BG 1 and 2 when they came out, as well as Planescape Torment. Another Infinity Engine classic from that era. BG1 was a good game in 1998 but probably has not aged well. BG2 on the other hand was amazing. The problem is, it's a continuation of the story from BG1. You could read up on the story for BG1 if you intend to play BG2, but it may not have the same impact.

Honestly you only really need to know the one plot point, the majority of the plot of 1 is unimportant.

Though I guess you wouldn't appreciate the returning companion cameos

[Balthus Stormshield]

Yes, I've played them. They, and the enhanced editions hold up very well with a couple of minor caveats.

2nd edition DnD (THAC0!) is a weird beast. Once you understand the mechanics and how to make them work in your favour, the combat can be a blast.

You will find yourself save-scumming. Embrace it, the RNG system is harsh. Many of the encounters can switch from a complete party-wipe to a triumphant slaughter because of 1 poor roll.

Real-Time-With-Pause requires lots of PAUSING. Many of us look at this through rose-tinted-glasses as the epitome of Baldur's Gate's identity. I've enjoyed both, but I'd recommend having a fiddle with the pause settings.

Most of the 'Infinity Engine' games such as Icewind Dale 1/2, Planscape Torment etc are great games and well worth your time for the story alone.

[ChrisPharmD]

Everybody around here talks about rose tinted glasses, but I don't see any rose tinted glasses. Yeah, BG1 is great. BG2 kinda sucks unless you just like overpowered mages who can put 50 buffs on each other while summoning bears and spiders to also buff.

Also, it's interesting to see people talk about RTwP as if it's too much for them but when somebody complains about turn-based combat, they grab the tea and sip it with their pinkies held high. I mean, it's not that complicated. You can pause with the space button which is that big ass button on your keyboard. It's not rocket science.

[zero]

Originally posted by ChrisPharmD:

Everybody around here talks about rose tinted glasses, but I don't see any rose tinted glasses. Yeah, BG1 is great. BG2 kinda sucks unless you just like overpowered mages who can put 50 buffs on each other while summoning bears and spiders to also buff.

Also, it's interesting to see people talk about RTwP as if it's too much for them but when somebody complains about turn-based combat, they grab the tea and sip it with their pinkies held high. I mean, it's not that complicated. You can pause with the space button which is that big ass button on your keyboard. It's not rocket science.

neither is complicated, but D&D is a turn based ruleset which rtwp never did well.

nobody is asking bg1-2 to change, but people do try to change bg3 cause they dislike it.

but that rtwp is why i can ever reccomend those 2.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by ChrisPharmD:

Everybody around here talks about rose tinted glasses, but I don't see any rose tinted glasses. Yeah, BG1 is great. BG2 kinda sucks unless you just like overpowered mages who can put 50 buffs on each other while summoning bears and spiders to also buff.

Also, it's interesting to see people talk about RTwP as if it's too much for them but when somebody complains about turn-based combat, they grab the tea and sip it with their pinkies held high. I mean, it's not that complicated. You can pause with the space button which is that big ass button on your keyboard. It's not rocket science.

I know that it's not rocket science, nor have I said such.
I just think it's a bad gameplay loop.
I'm fine with full ARPG and I'm even better with TB, but RTWP mixes the worst of TB combat with the worst parts of ARPG to make an even worse gameplay loop.
It still behaves like a TB game (which it still is in it's heart) and doesn't allow for taking full advantage of reactionary gameplay, but uses the crutch of either pausing for an inferior tb-style gameplay, or in later titles scripting and automation to take gameplay away from the player.
And the moment you as a dev have to add automation to make your game enjoyable, you should ask yourself if you are still going in the right direction...

[ChrisPharmD]

Originally posted by zero:

neither is complicated, but D&D is a turn based ruleset which rtwp never did well.

nobody is asking bg1-2 to change, but people do try to change bg3 cause they dislike it.

but that rtwp is why i can ever reccomend those 2.

Fallout 1 is pretty great, too. It's turn based. You like that one?

[The_Dipl0mat]

Nah, but I did play both Dark Alliance games

I like it

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Powerword: Shill:

And the moment you as a dev have to add automation to make your game enjoyable, you should ask yourself if you are still going in the right direction...

Automation can be dope, look at Satisfactory