Is necromancy necromancy?

[󠀡󠀡 WhyGamingWhy󠀡󠀡]

Hell I'm asking not even knowing if you can be a necromancer in the game, I've avoided all reviews, spoilers etc so I can eventually play blind, I buy my games in sales no matter what haha even if the sales not that good.

So, without spoiling anything, can I have a hoard of minions and cause terror over the world by raising dead or is the necromancer a disappointment like most games and is just a dark wizard type thing?

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by WhyGamingWhy:

Is necromancy necromancy?
Hell I'm asking not even knowing if you can be a necromancer in the game, I've avoided all reviews, spoilers etc so I can eventually play blind, I buy my games in sales no matter what haha even if the sales not that good.

So, without spoiling anything, can I have a hoard of minions and cause terror over the world by raising dead or is the necromancer a disappointment like most games and is just a dark wizard type thing?

It is the latter, especially due to the levelcap. Nonetheless still fun.

[󠀡󠀡 WhyGamingWhy󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

Originally posted by WhyGamingWhy:

Is necromancy necromancy?
Hell I'm asking not even knowing if you can be a necromancer in the game, I've avoided all reviews, spoilers etc so I can eventually play blind, I buy my games in sales no matter what haha even if the sales not that good.

So, without spoiling anything, can I have a hoard of minions and cause terror over the world by raising dead or is the necromancer a disappointment like most games and is just a dark wizard type thing?

It is the latter, especially due to the levelcap. Nonetheless still fun.

Ugh, shame, pass from me then haha, no matter how good the game is I need to raise the dead ;3

[seandeven]

Not a horde, but a music video amount of undead can be summoned at one time.

[kbiz]

Yeah, you can have your horde late-game. You can easily double your party size. Now go jump on that sale and play. Or we're not gonna let you go in blind.

[The Yeen Queen]

You....CAN raise undead minions, but they're fairly weak. And you just can't raise a persistent army of the dead type situation. Haven't made much use of necromancy spells, but I think animate dead is limited duration, too? I may be wrong there.

Although I will say life drain and such are STILL necromancy. Necromancy isn't JUST about raising the undead.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by WhyGamingWhy:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

It is the latter, especially due to the levelcap. Nonetheless still fun.

Ugh, shame, pass from me then haha, no matter how good the game is I need to raise the dead ;3

I can understand that.
Though I cannot recall any good undead/necromancer game of late. Only one which comes to mind is Diablo II...

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

Originally posted by WhyGamingWhy:

Ugh, shame, pass from me then haha, no matter how good the game is I need to raise the dead ;3

I can understand that. :lis_alex:
Though I cannot recall any good undead/necromancer game of late. Only one which comes to mind is Diablo II...

Yeah, while the Necromancer in 3 was fun, it just wasn't up to the bar of the D2 necro. I have no idea how the D4 necro is, I can't run the game and generally haven't heard good things about the game anyway.

[󠀡󠀡 WhyGamingWhy󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by アンジェル:

Originally posted by WhyGamingWhy:

Ugh, shame, pass from me then haha, no matter how good the game is I need to raise the dead ;3

I can understand that. :lis_alex:
Though I cannot recall any good undead/necromancer game of late. Only one which comes to mind is Diablo II...

Path of exile was a great fix for me in the necromancy part haha. Can't think of one more recent than that though, maybe last epoch but I've not tried it yet

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by WhyGamingWhy:

Hell I'm asking not even knowing if you can be a necromancer in the game, I've avoided all reviews, spoilers etc so I can eventually play blind, I buy my games in sales no matter what haha even if the sales not that good.

So, without spoiling anything, can I have a hoard of minions and cause terror over the world by raising dead or is the necromancer a disappointment like most games and is just a dark wizard type thing?

Anyone who tells you that you will not be disappointed with Necromancy in the 5e system is lying to you. It's basically a dark wizard who can get a spell that allows you to summon a zombie at 5th level that is a 2nd level creature.

5e nerfs necromancy so hard into being an occult caster, as any "real" necromancy abilities like create undead or control undead for the necromancer class do not appear until 14+ level which the game caps out at level 10.

Furthermore, you don't control a horde ever even with the best necromancy spells in 5e. All summoning spells summon individual creatures instead of swarms.

I'm one of those guys like you who go looking for games to be able to feel like a Necromancer (minion / horde lord), not just some casual occultist who can summon a single zombie and finds that 80% of all creatures in 5e have resistance to necrotic damage anyways from the generic "necromancy" / occult spells like chill touch, vampiric touch, blindness, etc.

The only up side is that there is a mod on Nexus that revamps Necromancy "Animate Dead++" to allow you to at least play somewhat like a real necromancer who relies on his minions instead of his generic dark magic spells (that you won't use anyways because they are weak, and most creatures have resistance to it) over spells like fireball, magic missile, shield, etc.

DnD 3.5e is the only DnD edition that really made you feel like a Necromancer.

[󠀡󠀡 WhyGamingWhy󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by Night Foxx:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

I can understand that. :lis_alex:
Though I cannot recall any good undead/necromancer game of late. Only one which comes to mind is Diablo II...

Yeah, while the Necromancer in 3 was fun, it just wasn't up to the bar of the D2 necro. I have no idea how the D4 necro is, I can't run the game and generally haven't heard good things about the game anyway.

I asked my friend about d4 and he said it was more witch doctory like gw2, I avoided gw3 as it's off steam and required dlc to play necro

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by WhyGamingWhy:

Originally posted by アンジェル:

I can understand that. :lis_alex:
Though I cannot recall any good undead/necromancer game of late. Only one which comes to mind is Diablo II...

Path of exile was a great fix for me in the necromancy part haha. Can't think of one more recent than that though, maybe last epoch but I've not tried it yet

I mean....if that's your bar, BG3 may be enough for you. >.>

[󠀡󠀡 WhyGamingWhy󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by Tech-Priest:

Originally posted by WhyGamingWhy:

Hell I'm asking not even knowing if you can be a necromancer in the game, I've avoided all reviews, spoilers etc so I can eventually play blind, I buy my games in sales no matter what haha even if the sales not that good.

So, without spoiling anything, can I have a hoard of minions and cause terror over the world by raising dead or is the necromancer a disappointment like most games and is just a dark wizard type thing?

Anyone who tells you that you will not be disappointed with Necromancy in the 5e system is lying to you. It's basically a dark wizard who can get a spell that allows you to summon a zombie at 5th level that is a 2rd level creature.

5e nerfs necromancy so hard into being an occult caster, as any "real" necromancy abilities like create undead or control undead for the necromancer class do not appear until 14+ level which the game caps out at level 10.

Furthermore, you don't control a horde ever even with the best necromancy spells in 5e. All summoning spells summon individual creatures instead of swarms.

I'm one of those guys like you who go looking for games to be able to feel like a Necromancer (minion / horde lord), not just some casual occultist who can summon a single zombie and finds that 80% of all creatures in 5e have resistance to necrotic damage anyways from the generic "necromancy" / occult spells like chill touch, vampiric touch, blindness, etc.

The only up side is that there is a mod on Nexus that revamps Necromancy "Animate Dead++" to allow you to at least play somewhat like a real necromancy who relies on his minions instead of his generic dark magic spells (that you won't use anyways because they are weak, and most creatures have resistance to it) over spells like fireball, magic missile, shield, etc.

Thank you! Always helpful finding a fellow necro main haha ;) I might give it a year or two then, mod would probably be even better by then ;)
Hell I prefer not being able to do anything other than summoning ;3

[󠀡󠀡 WhyGamingWhy󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by Night Foxx:

Originally posted by WhyGamingWhy:

Path of exile was a great fix for me in the necromancy part haha. Can't think of one more recent than that though, maybe last epoch but I've not tried it yet

I mean....if that's your bar, BG3 may be enough for you. >.>

Necro in poe is great?

[The Seraph of Tomorrow]

Originally posted by WhyGamingWhy:

Thank you! Always helpful finding a fellow necro main haha ;) I might give it a year or two then, mod would probably be even better by then ;)
Hell I prefer not being able to do anything other than summoning ;3

Trust me I know the struggle, in fact I started my own business recently to work on a product just because i was so tired of games not allowing you to feel like a Necromancer. Not to rant too much, but so many RPG's out there they make magic feel mundane due to the way they balance their game systems (thus limiting magic), instead of how it should feel, like magic.

I'd suggest checking out the "Animate Dead++" mod on Nexus to see if it achieves what you are aiming for. There is also a mod to allow you to become a true vampire or turn a companion into one if that's something you are also interested in.

[Firecam]

Necro is poe is also limited like all games.