[75kg] The fighter man and priest lady weigh 165lbs

[Riitoken]

Yesterday, I first realized that my physically dominant male fighter weighed the same as the petite female priest.

But the reason that I thought to look was because I finally encountered a moment at Waukeen's Rest, with mostly all female melee types. It got my attention. Until then, the avatar models hid the stats from my mind.

BG3 is a fantastic game. It is fantasy. And I suppose that some significant percentage of the market demographic involves females who enjoy the fantasy of being physically dominant. I get it. It is the Amazon mentality.

In my IRL, my parents DNA blessed me with northern European fast-twitch muscle fiber. I was a natural weightlifter, who could bench press twice my body weight. That places me in a category of 1 in 100k. And I accept that I am the minority here.

I seek a gaming experience that aligns with my IRL reality. But alas, these days, I feel slighted by game designs most of the time. I'll just note that the original D&D 1E, while there was attention to racial asymmetry (which I liked very much), noticeably absent were sexual asymmetry. Gygax and Arneson decided to make the genders RPG equals. This was a departure from their known references: European lore, Tolkien, The Old Testament.

BGS is the single best turn-based RPG in gaming history. I am able to enjoy it. I was able to generate a physically superior male fighter, but I weigh 165lbs. So that message does not align with what I'd prefer.

And allow me to assume that, based on how Shadowheart is modeled, a IRL female might not appreciate being modeled at 165lbs.

I said all this to suggest that a character generation screen that allows the player to choose body weight would be very welcome from my POV.

EDIT: Gygax & Arneson did model Male/Female height weight differences on page 102 of the AD&D DM Guide. But they declined to model differences in ability scores/bonuses.

EDIT: On page 9 of the AD&D Players manual, they listed the maximum allowable STR for sexes of each race. Human males enjoyed the elite distinction of being the only race/gender allowed in the 18/100 club.

[Riitoken]

This guy is not 165lbs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpUrXJNcS_8

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

引用自 Riitoken：

引用自 Oozy Monster：

If there's some stat variation on sex and race in games, I still roll up characters I want, min/maxing be damned. Never bothered me to have some variation between the sexes nor when they removed it.

I expect entirely different species would have different attributes, that was kind of the point. Getting rid of that entirely never made good sense, knowing the difference between fantasy and real-life implications. But some people can't separate the two, so here we are.

You're right. Wizardry 8, at least, had pretty significant differences in base ability scores with both gender and race. I never thought much of it at the time as I was, again, just rolling up whatever suited me at the time. Now that I think about it, Wiz 8 had a great character design and leveling system and I don't know I've seen anything as good since.

I want to play a representation of me.

But why?

[Quillithe]

引用自 Riitoken：

引用自 Quillithe：

Well if anyone's citing Game of Thrones characters for evidence of either women being equal in strength in real life or in D&D there'd be a problem.

Because she's not real and she's not in D&D - the one is given by studies (and pretty solidly known at this point) and the other is decided by rules and lore from WotC (or your DM if they prefer)

But that's not really relevant to what my point was.

Agree she is not defined by D&D anywhere, but D&D does not model the differences in mammals. Thus those who'd cite her as a justification for what D&D does, forget the Mountain from their referenced lore. He would have kicked her a**.

Modern D&D won't allow this scientific fact to be modeled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpUrXJNcS_8

Okay so you aren't going to respond to my point in any way.

Have fun with that I guess.

It'd have been funnier if the video was about dragons or something though after
"Modern D&D won't allow this scientific fact to be modeled."

[The Yeen Queen]

引用自 ✙205🍉🐆→：

This is all idiocy, same level of penises, vaginas and genders, which has no effect on gameplay,

Neither do any other appearance customization options. Why's this one special in that it's a problem for you?

[Quillithe]

引用自 Night Foxx：

引用自 ✙205🍉🐆→：

This is all idiocy, same level of penises, vaginas and genders, which has no effect on gameplay,

Neither do any other appearance customization options. Why's this one special in that it's a problem for you?

Big PP should increase charisma

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

引用自 Quillithe：

引用自 Night Foxx：

Neither do any other appearance customization options. Why's this one special in that it's a problem for you?

Big PP should increase charisma

Or Bludgeoning dmg? 🤔🤭

[Quillithe]

引用自 Pan Darius Loveless：

引用自 Quillithe：

Big PP should increase charisma

Or Bludgeoning dmg? 🤔🤭

Nude monks get an extra 'unarmed' attack

[Riitoken]

引用自 Pan Darius Loveless：

引用自 Riitoken：

I want to play a representation of me.

But why?

Already explained. I want to experience superior male strength - as Gygax intended.

[Riitoken]

引用自 Quillithe：

引用自 Night Foxx：

Neither do any other appearance customization options. Why's this one special in that it's a problem for you?

Big PP should increase charisma

For Bugbears hitting on Ogres, sure.

[Riitoken]

引用自 Quillithe：

引用自 Riitoken：

Agree she is not defined by D&D anywhere, but D&D does not model the differences in mammals. Thus those who'd cite her as a justification for what D&D does, forget the Mountain from their referenced lore. He would have kicked her a**.

Modern D&D won't allow this scientific fact to be modeled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpUrXJNcS_8

Okay so you aren't going to respond to my point in any way.

Have fun with that I guess.

It'd have been funnier if the video was about dragons or something though after
"Modern D&D won't allow this scientific fact to be modeled."

I think we have established that D&D 5E will not allow male mammals to be modeled stronger than the females.

I think we've established that in D&D land, the female mammals are equal or superior to the males (like for insects).

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

引用自 Riitoken：

引用自 Pan Darius Loveless：

But why?

Already explained. I want to experience superior male strength - as Gygax intended.

You're some kind of bad joke, right?

🤣😆🤭🫣

[Quillithe]

引用自 Pan Darius Loveless：

引用自 Riitoken：

Already explained. I want to experience superior male strength - as Gygax intended.

You're some kind of bad joke, right?

🤣😆🤭🫣

Usually when I want to experience superior male strength I go arm wrestle some girls.

As long as they don't look too muscular, I'm pretty scrawny.

[Riitoken]

Well I'm very disappointed that the mods locked the [MALE-PRIDE] thread. I thought the discussion was very much on track and engaging.

A big thanks to everybody who got involved.

To the person who said they were annoyed at the idea of STR stat hit because she was a female, read my final posts. Gygax and Arneson could have offered compensation with a +1 to another ability. Notice that males would get a penalty on the stat of their choice to compensate for the STR+1.

I'd also say that I would probably not enjoy sitting at the table with you, where you are imagining that you're equally as strong as I am. I'm willing to be weaker than you in one stat. But when it comes to STR, I really want that to be an identity for the male lane. It's our lane first and foremost. It's part of our identity. We deserve that. Stay in your lane.

[Riitoken]

引用自 Pan Darius Loveless：

引用自 Riitoken：

Already explained. I want to experience superior male strength - as Gygax intended.

You're some kind of bad joke, right?

🤣😆🤭🫣

No joke. One of the realities of being a normal man is knowing we are statistically stronger than females. It's a thing. We like it. It's our lane. I don't want to share it with the females.

They have almost every other lane that exists.

[Rabbit]

引用自 Riitoken：

In my IRL, my parents DNA blessed me with northern European fast-twitch muscle fiber.

it took almost no time for this post to go from being dumb to being really weird and probably racist somehow