Stupid that non casters can use scrolls..

[Sephiroth]

That is all

[brendan_in_china]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

Goblin slayer can use scrolls even tho he is not a wizard :D

Protection scrolls can be used by anyone. Spellcaster scroll only by those spellcasting classes.

[Grimple_Butterman]

Yeah I think the Use Magic Device skill check in 3.5 to determine if a character could use scrolls or other magic items worked well. Too bad that skill points system wasn't continued in later editions; it does seem a little OP that anyone can use any scroll even without a shred of magical knowledge or training.

[id795078477]

Originally posted by Grimple_Butterman:

Yeah I think the Use Magic Device skill check in 3.5 to determine if a character could use scrolls or other magic items worked well. Too bad that skill points system wasn't continued in later editions; it does seem a little OP that anyone can use any scroll even without a shred of magical knowledge or training.

That - and the fact that UMD scaled with the scroll's value + there were class/non-class skills. Unlike 5e where everyone can do everything (in the sense that you can almost always get skill combo you want), classes in 3e had their skills and it wasn't possible to cheese with backgrounds and races combos. Multi-class also had strategic aspect - what to take and when was important, especially to max out necessary skills.

Plus the fact that in 5e skills are .. well, not so important the higher the level. In 3.5e non-class skill meant you'd have about 1/2 of what you'd have as a class skill. It made a huge difference and meant many checks were just impossible to pass save nat20. In 5e.. well, the +2 is important (and no, barely anyone will have expertise), but compensating with the stat bonus and the whole bounded d20 means the impact of losing that +2 isn't so great as losing 1/2 of skill check in 3.5e.

It wasn't an ideal system and it had shortcomings - like, some real experience in building character was needed to have something that will achieve the goals + be realistically playable on the way to those goals. But as flawed as it was in 3.5e, 5e made it even worse. And BG3's homebrew made worse still.

[Ranpo]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Also that Shove is a Bonus Action, especially with all the vertical map design.

Shove needs strength to be useful so it makes sense.

[Mightylink]

This is the whole point of scrolls, so non-magic users can use a spell they can't learn to get themself out of a sticky situation.

[Bob the Boomer]

They made this game "user friendly" and ignored certain AD&D rules, if they could we would see machine guns and bazookas as stupid as that sounds

[Space Dog]

Originally posted by Mightylink:

This is the whole point of scrolls, so non-magic users can use a spell they can't learn to get themself out of a sticky situation.

Potion of Invisibility. Potion of Jumping. Potion of Flying. Ring of Invisibility. Amulet of Misty Step. Boots of Misty Step. Boots of Speed. How many different ways does everyone need?

The point of Scrolls for everyone seems to be more that Clerics can Disintegrate bosses or that anyone can cast powerful spells like Globe of Invulnerability or Wall of Fire to beat encounters without any need for actual spellcasters to join and contribute to the party.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Isn't that the whole point of scrolls, that anyone (who can read them) can use them? It's stupid that they couldn't use them before, IMO.

No because just like a warror needs to be skill with his blade a wizard or a sorceror are able to manipulate the magicks and read the texts. Simply put they are not supposed to have the skill to do it.

They are not supposed to be able to use them.

Even in 5E you cant read it unless you have the skill or the ability as a wizard/sorceror.

If anything you need to be able to have the ability to use and read scrolls and use magic devices skill of high enough level. (meaning you need to INVEST in the skill).

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Space Dog:

Originally posted by Mightylink:

This is the whole point of scrolls, so non-magic users can use a spell they can't learn to get themself out of a sticky situation.

Potion of Invisibility. Potion of Jumping. Potion of Flying. Ring of Invisibility. Amulet of Misty Step. Boots of Misty Step. Boots of Speed. How many different ways does everyone need?

The point of Scrolls for everyone seems to be more that Clerics can Disintegrate bosses or that anyone can cast powerful spells like Globe of Invulnerability or Wall of Fire to beat encounters without any need for actual spellcasters to join and contribute to the party.

Absolutely false.

Why a sorceror is not going to be able to pick up a weapon and do all the attacks and damage a warror can do right nope.

Not everything is available to everyone. HENCE FKING CLASSES.

Why don't we just remove the RPG aspect of the game then and classes too.

[guard65]

A side from the fact that anyone who cannot scribe magic can not read and release potential stored energy of a scroll. What ever happened to scroll chance of failure when casting it? Modified by your spell casting attribute of course.

IMAO every potion should have a side effect or draw back, but that's because I think you do not get something for nothing. The trade off verse take take take.