Elixirs of strength need a change

[ncn75]

Both elixirs of strength, especially the hills one, should be changes as they make strength a dump stat for any single build in the game especially in the first act of the game. This heavily unbalances the game in its first part.

In response to people saying just don't use it, you are somehow right, but the temptation is high, especially for honour mode.

The bg1/2 potions were much more limited in both effect duration and availability. In my opinion, they should be changed to a +2/+4 bonus to strength, even if it is not in the D&D tradition. Even like that they may end up as a small bonus (+1) to full strength committed builds, but a character needs at least to commit to it. It will also maintain a max of 19 strength for most of the act 1 which is more in line to other stats.

[Tenjen]

It's a big opportunity cost to dump stat with a str elixir when you have to give up all the other really powerful ones for a non dump stat build

[KingOfFriedChicken]

In my opinion I don't think the potions elixers need a change, they need to make it so shops don't refresh for honor mode particularly but harder modes. If the point is difficulty then give it some, shops have q static non refreshing inventory. Can't stock up on 100 potions from 1 shop thru exploits.

[Space Dog]

There are too many powerful consumables in play. They are too influential and make character abilities less relevant.

Most of all powerful spells from scrolls that anyone can cast for whatever reason, the long lasting giant strength elixirs, and the abundant Haste and Invisibility potions.

I'd prefer strict rules on scrolls and making powerful consumables much more rare.

[votadc]

Older BG games have many consumables that set the strength but they last 10 turns.
You get many strength setting items as well but mostly in Bg2, in bg1 strength and dexterity both have the item that set to 18 (the strength one Is better because It Is 18/00 and there Is the old gap between 18 and 19).

[id795078477]

Because Larian fails at the fundamentals when it comes to challenge design. They don't understand - or don't want to understand that the compounding effects of in-game resource economy on micro levels yield impact on macro levels given enough time.

They introduced HM .. only for it to be beaten solo without breaking a sweat. That's because new boss abilities don't matter if those bosses never get to move their turn. It's because they failed to address one of the core issues plaguing the game balance: abundance. There's another core problem, namely imbalanced homebrew, but at least that could be argued for in the faith of "good intentions" (though we all know where those lead to)

Abundance is a severe problem, coupled with any lack of resource usage restrictions. Martial classes can use scrolls just like anyone else. And that anyone else in the party can always chug potions - having drastic impact like making entire stats irrelevant or removing any need for healing classes. And resources don't just mean physical things.

Character re-spec is also a resource that is sorely lacking control. Piggyback off potions in Act 1 with some yolo-build and then respec to something better suited for Act 2. Change your build according to terrain and the anticipated encounter(s). Easy clap. But Larian doesn't pay attention to the fundamentals. Not the first time.

[ArtificialQT]

Just be a hoarder and suddenly those OP potions aren't a problem anymore, cuz you'll never want to use them just in case you need them for later

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by Artificial:

Just be a hoarder and suddenly those OP potions aren't a problem anymore, cuz you'll never want to use them just in case you need them for later

Me with the short rest and long rest potions:


In all honesty, I've only used the Strength potions when I wasn't using something else. Like the Bloodlust Elixir, for example. An extra action EVERY TURN if you kill something is pretty disgustingly powerful for... most encounters, actually. Even the Act 2 boss can be ripped apart because you get extra actions from killing the mobs with one of your multiple attacks per action.

If you're worried about the strength elixirs, just wait until you realize you can sit a character at... what is it, 23 strength, 23 con, 18 dex? Just from the EQUIPMENT you're wearing. My Sorcerer has an AC of 21 in Act 2 wearing plainclothes just because he's wearing those dex gloves. He's got the highest AC out of anyone in my group. (Though I know I can get them higher if I feel like it, it's not worth the micro)

[Dovahbear]

It's a PvE game, stop asking for nerfs.
If people want to use consumables as a crutch to munchkin out, let them, it doesn't affect your game in the slightest.
Just because you don't want to play a certain way doesn't mean you need to try to take it away from other people.
Play your game however you want and leave everyone else alone.

[Kaisha]

I agree. It makes strength scaling abilities (like TB and Tiger Barb) OP because you have easy access to strength far beyond what is normal at that level.

[Iron Reaper]

Using one of these means you can’t use a bloodlust elixir, and those are truly op

[Baldurs_Gate_2]

Maybe. But it's a trade-off. Elixir of Bloodlust is very good too. A range char just takes the club of hill giant strength and uses the titanstring bow or any other range weapon and can still use the bloodlust elixir or any other one.

But if you are melee and str is your attack / damage stat, you have to drink the potion if you dump str and can't use any other one to be effective.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Potion availability in general is pretty ridiculous.

[Iron Reaper]

Transmutation wizard hireling and pickpocket hireling say hello

[surreptitious]

Originally posted by Dovahbear:

It's a PvE game, stop asking for nerfs.
If people want to use consumables as a crutch to munchkin out, let them, it doesn't affect your game in the slightest.
Just because you don't want to play a certain way doesn't mean you need to try to take it away from other people.
Play your game however you want and leave everyone else alone.

No it isnt

its a multiplayer game with a huge volume of people playing in groups.
And when you play in a group with

The Guy

The Guy who needs every piece of gear either stolen or bought from the vendors in the grove.

The Guy who needs to change his stats and class every 5 minutes cause he got a new item that sets his stat to 18 so he can now dump strenght.

The guy who now has the Dex gloves also and need to respec so he can dump str and dex load up con and NEEDS the giant slayer bow now to max the build brah!

The guy who chugs every potion , reads every scroll , then runs into the center of the screen with their Monk or Paladin or was Any Tavern Brawler Build and do 900 points damage to the the screen over the 90 seconds it took them to take their turn ......

Yes playing with totally broken environments with broken builds sucks ... for everyone.
I have just quit multiplayer games as soon as i see one of those players in my group .... see ya....

Normal reply ... "Just doing what the game allows brah "
If you weren't meant to kill the bosses solo in one turn it wouldn't be this way ...

[Giganx]

Like people said, it's a huge opportunity cost. There are WAAAY more overpowered elixirs you can't use if you're popping STR elixirs every long rest just so you can dump STR.

It's expensive to; I'm playing Honor Mode and they've increased the price of a lot of key gear pieces considerably. I've been hurting for gold every step of the way.

If you really want to complain about balance then STR elixirs are far down the list.