Flying baby detective elephants ruin my immersion

[woops]

Facts

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Hawke:

Wasn't she supposed to be an LG-aligned celestial creature, who would actively help heroes and fight the forces of Evil? The issue is not she's a small flying elephant, but with that her actions and attitude don't fit a hollyphant. Just a random Flaming Fist officer.

As far as I can tell, she seems to be an outlier who is somewhat of an outcast? She thinks Hollyphants are not immune to evil, considering how fluid it is. Good actions from hundreds of years ago may be considered evil, and vice versa. So she thinks they can fall to evil. Despite no evidence being there

So, she seems more like an outcast conspiracy theorist who went to go temporarily live with annoying humans. And I think serve as a plot point for Bhaal where you kill a celestial to gain access

[Beast of War]

It certainly is a weird creature but of those there are more around. It is pretty non-interesting however. You run into it 3-4 times for a short conversation ? It being a failed detective ? Rescueing it from a bhaalist temple room ? Well ok. Been there done that. Nothing to see there.

[Wedge]

Hollys are just tools for the good deities and organisations for the most part. One developing a personality of a flaming fist does suit it alignment wise, stat wise and even role wise. Fists are a good aligned merc company and many of its members would answer to the same deities as the holly.

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by ftw01:

Flying baby detective elephants ruin my immersion
Facts

More lore references = more immersion

Plus they play a legit role in the game

[Daniel]

Flying miniature elephants are kinda negligible when you have a talking shapeshifter octopus living in a box who’s trying to get in your pants.

[Maraxus]

I massacred it at the temple of bhaal. 😁

[✙205🍉🐆→]

He is a typical detective, alcoholic and ladies' man with professional problems
He must be sacrificed

Originally posted by ftw01:

Originally posted by hermit0wl:

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Hollyphant
Too bad.

just because it's on a page doesn't mean that it is right. Even supreme court decisions for example can be wrong and must be overturned in the future. Look at this crazy priate spaceship nonsense in DND: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXtY7L4BmXM

dies of cringe
Why so bad

[Simocrates]

I get the feeling the Police should be searching OP's hard drive.

[hermit0wl]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Originally posted by Hawke:

Wasn't she supposed to be an LG-aligned celestial creature, who would actively help heroes and fight the forces of Evil? The issue is not she's a small flying elephant, but with that her actions and attitude don't fit a hollyphant. Just a random Flaming Fist officer.

As far as I can tell, she seems to be an outlier who is somewhat of an outcast? She thinks Hollyphants are not immune to evil, considering how fluid it is. Good actions from hundreds of years ago may be considered evil, and vice versa. So she thinks they can fall to evil. Despite no evidence being there

So, she seems more like an outcast conspiracy theorist who went to go temporarily live with annoying humans. And I think serve as a plot point for Bhaal where you kill a celestial to gain access

Yeah, she also spent some time in the Feywild and picked up some bad habits there :)

[Space Dog]

It's not that Hollyphants exist in the lore. It's how they are used in BG3.

Up to that point the game has been quite serious in tone. Then all of a sudden when you enter Act III, there are ghouls for clowns, and flying mini-elephants for detectives. It just turns into some kind of silly cartoon. It's stretching it too far and too abrupt of a tonal change.

Having undead dressed as clowns on the streets of a major city would prompt a response from many temples and the Flaming Fist. But the devs threw logic out the window because they thought it would be funny and we are now in cartoon style. People don't react to these oddities or monsters in any way.

Same with Mizora, casually flapping her devil wings on the street. No one cares. It's like the devs had some development fatigue at this point and nothing mattered anymore. Or Gortash announcing his secret evil master plan to the party when there's a big audience sitting right next to him. Or vampires chilling at a bar during bright and sunny daytime. Things just fell apart in the beginning of Act III.

So I also have an issue with how BG3 is all over the place in terms of style and tone. It's trying to be horror, comedy, cartoon and mature drama at the same time. And it's a bit of a mess. Direction or vision isn't clear at all here.

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Originally posted by Space Dog:

It's not that Hollyphants exist in the lore. It's how they are used in BG3.

Up to that point the game has been quite serious in tone. Then all of a sudden when you enter Act III, there are ghouls for clowns, and flying mini-elephants for detectives. It just turns into some kind of silly cartoon. It's stretching it too far and too abrupt of a tonal change.

Having undead dressed as clowns on the streets of a major city would prompt a response from many temples and the Flaming Fist. But the devs threw logic out the window because they thought it would be funny and we are now in cartoon style. People don't react to these oddities or monsters in any way.

Same with Mizora, casually flapping her devil wings on the street. No one cares. It's like the devs had some development fatigue at this point and nothing mattered anymore. Or Gortash announcing his secret evil master plan to the party when there's a big audience sitting right next to him. Or vampires chilling at a bar during bright and sunny daytime. Things just fell apart in the beginning of Act III.

So I also have an issue with how BG3 is all over the place in terms of style and tone. It's trying to be horror, comedy, cartoon and mature drama at the same time. And it's a bit of a mess. Direction or vision isn't clear at all here.

yes now that you mention it, those things all seemed strange to me too but it was too subtle for me to consciously care. The flying little elephant was a major one though but the talking cats with their own entire personalities was also strange. I mean I get that it's probably possible but they really went overboard with giving them all unique sarcastic personalities.

Act 3 was strange overall, it sets itself up as if you can play these villains against each other but that's not really how it works out. You just go and kill them one after another and the game pretends like you are doing some masterful chess moves.