Why the playersexuality is important

[Wizard College Dropout]

Adrienne Law, one of the writers of BG3, had this to say about the game's playersexuality: DnD is inherently driven by player imagination, and in the tabletop edition, players are given the freedom to flirt and fall in love as they please. This is something we wanted to replicate as far as possible, so while it’s an equally valid creative approach for romance-able characters to come with their own set preferences, the pansexuality of our origin characters not only feels true to them and their values, but also to the spirit of imaginative self-expression and self-exploration that lies at the heart of DnD. Speaking for myself, I can say that video games (and role-playing games in particular) were some of the first places I found a space to quietly express this side of my own identity, and as a result were also the first places I experienced acceptance of this.

[Recjawjind]

Add to this, bisexuality is the canonical norm in Faerûn.

[Tingly]

I think it's cool and valid, although there is something to be said for having romanceable characters react to the player's gender or race, a little bit, even if they can be romanced regardless of those details. That's a strong way to build some characterization.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

I love the playersexual characters. It means I can boink whoever the hells I want to and not be cokcblocked by some neckbearded grognard.

[hermit0wl]

Fair enough. To me, the characters' sexuality still doesn't quite feel like an authentic part of their identity when I know they're just programmed to be attracted to the player character no matter what... but prioritizing player freedom is a valid approach.
Romance being tied to general approval is a bigger issue.

I do really like the romance in BG3 overall though. Especially how some relationships can start off as casual sex and grow (or not) from there. It doesn't make it seem like sex is the "goal" of romance, just a part of it.

[Wokelander]

Originally posted by BitterHeals:

Originally posted by Hårgalåten:

it wasnt the case back in the 2000s with BG1-2 I think. Its just that the woke propaganda have taken its root in the DnD world and is now organised by a punch of LGBTQ clowns with identity issues.

The creator of the Forgotten Realms setting disagrees with you. He's stated before that Faerun is very accepting of queer folk and bisexuality is more common than it is IRL.

To be fair, I do believe this guy is correct that bisexuality wasn't the norm in BG 1 & 2. They had all of one same-sex romance combined IIRC. That, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with setting which, as you say, Greenwood has confirmed on multiple occasions has lots of queer

[Arthur (The king)]

Originally posted by BitterHeals:

Originally posted by Hårgalåten:

it wasnt the case back in the 2000s with BG1-2 I think. Its just that the woke propaganda have taken its root in the DnD world and is now organised by a punch of LGBTQ clowns with identity issues.

The creator of the Forgotten Realms setting disagrees with you. He's stated before that Faerun is very accepting of queer folk and bisexuality is more common than it is IRL.

I didnt encounter a lot of LGBTQ stuff in BG1, BG2 and Neverwinter Night. Why is it a thing now but wasn't before?

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Hårgalåten:

Originally posted by BitterHeals:

The creator of the Forgotten Realms setting disagrees with you. He's stated before that Faerun is very accepting of queer folk and bisexuality is more common than it is IRL.

I didnt encounter a lot of LGBTQ stuff in BG1, BG2 and Neverwinter Night. Why is it a thing now but wasn't before?

Because they didn't respect the source material.

[Metallicus]

It sounds like Adrienne Law injected herself and her own desires into the game and story rather than actually writing a good story for the characters.

[Wokelander]

Originally posted by Hårgalåten:

Originally posted by BitterHeals:

The creator of the Forgotten Realms setting disagrees with you. He's stated before that Faerun is very accepting of queer folk and bisexuality is more common than it is IRL.

I didnt encounter a lot of LGBTQ stuff in BG1, BG2 and Neverwinter Night. Why is it a thing now but wasn't before?

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Originally posted by Hårgalåten:

I didnt encounter a lot of LGBTQ stuff in BG1, BG2 and Neverwinter Night. Why is it a thing now but wasn't before?

Because they didn't respect the source material.

Forgotten Realms had queer in it since at least the 80's or maybe early 90's though, I'd know because I read the novels and it was there. Also Ed Greenwood has flat out stated that it's a thing. Ignorance of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[Metallicus]

Just because something exists doesn’t mean you want to immerse yourself in the behavior or experience the unpleasantness of the thing. This doesn’t mean the thing can’t be overlooked because of the overall quality of the product. It just means the game could have been much better without its inclusion.

[Wokelander]

Originally posted by Metallicus:

Just because something exists doesn’t mean you want to immerse yourself in the behavior or experience the unpleasantness of the thing. This doesn’t mean the thing can’t be overlooked because of the overall quality of the product. It just means the game could have been much better without its inclusion.

Well Ed Greenwood also handled that for you, as he said you're welcome to not play it if you don't like it :D

[Wizard College Dropout]

Originally posted by Metallicus:

Just because something exists doesn’t mean you want to immerse yourself in the behavior or experience the unpleasantness of the thing. This doesn’t mean the thing can’t be overlooked because of the overall quality of the product. It just means the game could have been much better without its inclusion.

You're right! It shouldn't be overlooked, because the queerness was important to the devs to include, and it's awesome to see such a queer game get GOTY.

[Aldain]

Honestly I can't get past the idea that these characters would shag an inanimate object if it had a high rep score with them.

Just feels shallow to me, like they exist solely for the player's whims rather than truly being well defined characters.

[Altimely]

Originally posted by Aldain:

Honestly I can't get past the idea that these characters would shag an inanimate object if it had a high rep score with them.

Just feels shallow to me, like they exist solely for the player's whims rather than truly being well defined characters.

It's more that they're sexual preference is so fluid that it doesn't matter or define them. Each character has their own motivations and traits that make them who they are, regardless of who they fug.

The players trying to make character sexuality more of a big deal are giving themselves away as thinking that sexuality is a character's only personality trait, and it isn't.

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Altimely:

Originally posted by Aldain:

Honestly I can't get past the idea that these characters would shag an inanimate object if it had a high rep score with them.

Just feels shallow to me, like they exist solely for the player's whims rather than truly being well defined characters.

It's more that they're sexual preference is so fluid that it doesn't matter or define them. Each character has their own motivations and traits that make them who they are, regardless of who they fug.

Which is pretty based. The personality matters more than the body