What is the class tier list?

[Rising Gale]

I am curious to see what the tier list is for classes, for me the worst class in my opinion is cleric even monk is more useful than cleric because it at least can dodge consistently, Cleric accuracy issues on shadowheart was so bad it immediately made me swap her to pally and she went from being useless outside buffing after that to being a force of nature when she gets close enough to stab with a spear lol. S tier would prob be Fighter and Pally (Paladin) . What do you guys think?

[Chaosolous]

Druid > Everything else.

[Recjawjind]

In terms of mono-classes, my personal list would be something like this
S: Fighter, Monk
A: Paladin, Barb, Wizard (though this one highly depends on your difficulty, lower in honour mode)
B: Bard, Sorc
C: Cleric, Ranger, Rogue, Warlock (higher tier at low levels)
D: Druid

Not to say lower tier classes can't be extremely powerful, many of them shine as dips or during certain stages of the game to respec into

[Ironwu]

Well, to each his own.

Learning to play Shadowheart as Cleric is not as easy as many other classes and requires some understanding of how the various options that are available synergize in Cleric builds.

I have found a pure Cleric to be extremely useful throughout all 12 levels of progressing to the final fight.

The key thing to understand, I think, is that Clerics in BG3 are NOT primarily healers. Healing should be left up to individual characters using Healing Potions, except in extreme emergencies when the Cleric could spell heal the entire party.

Anyway, that has been my experience with a full Cleric in the party. :)

[Hark]

Shadowheart's accuracy has nothing to do with being a cleric. Everyone has the same base chance to hit, as it is determined by level (for proficiency bonus) and then the relevant stat.

While all the classes are good in their own way...I think maybe Bard is the weakest? As their shtick is being a jack of all trades, master of none.

[Rising Gale]

Originally posted by Hark:

Shadowheart's accuracy has nothing to do with being a cleric. Everyone has the same base chance to hit, as it is determined by level (for proficiency bonus) and then the relevant stat.

While all the classes are good in their own way...I think maybe Bard is the weakest? As their shtick is being a jack of all trades, master of none.

If it's not the class but the character build at fault then why even bother choosing stats that are bad accuracy for her?

[Rising Gale]

Originally posted by Chaosolous:

Druid > Everything else.

Druid is amazing until it runs out of transformation charges then it's basically a worse magic caster in my opinion

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Rising Gale:

If it's not the class but the character build at fault then why even bother choosing stats that are bad accuracy for her?

Well her accuracy on her cleric spells is just fine, as good as you can get at low levels without magic items.
Firebolt, her melee and ranged martial options are ass though with the initial spec, so I always fix those right away (and turn her into a light cleric because radiance of the dawn is nutty early on)

[Rising Gale]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Originally posted by Rising Gale:

If it's not the class but the character build at fault then why even bother choosing stats that are bad accuracy for her?

Well her accuracy on her cleric spells is just fine, as good as you can get at low levels without magic items.
Firebolt, her melee and ranged martial options are ass though with the initial spec, so I always fix those right away (and turn her into a light cleric because radiance of the dawn is nutty early on)

Even her spells kept missing for me on her initial build, maybe I'm just really unlucky? Didn't put anything she's not proficient in on her.

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Rising Gale:

Even her spells kept missing for me on her initial build, maybe I'm just really unlucky? Didn't put anything she's not proficient in on her.

To hit bonus for cleric spells is wis mod + proficiency bonus, spellsave DC is 8 + prof + wis mod, same as any other caster class (only swap wis for their respective casting attribute), and she starts at 17 wis, the max that can be achieved in point buy at the start.

[chefcook90]

Depends on if you're going mono-class or multiclass, and also heavily depends heavily on what subclass you pick and whether your build is meant for combat or exploration.

For example, Cleric is probably the absolute worst class to mono-class in, but the absolute best to multi-class into.

Rogues are insanely good for exploration because of the extra skills and Expertise, but are the only martial class that doesn't get Extra Attacks with standard actions.
The Thief Subclass, however, has the Fast Hands passive, which gives a free bonus action that can be used on ANYTHING that a bonus action can normally be used for, including stuff like the Berserker's Enraged Throw or the Monk's Flurry of Blows.

I'll get back to you with an actual list, because this is gonna take some thinking lol

[Rising Gale]

Originally posted by chefcook90:

Depends on if you're going mono-class or multiclass, and also heavily depends heavily on what subclass you pick and whether your build is meant for combat or exploration.

For example, Cleric is probably the absolute worst class to mono-class in, but the absolute best to multi-class into.

Rogues are insanely good for exploration because of the extra skills and Expertise, but are the only martial class that doesn't get Extra Attacks with standard actions.
The Thief Subclass, however, has the Fast Hands passive, which gives a free bonus action that can be used on ANYTHING that a bonus action can normally be used for, including stuff like the Berserker's Enraged Throw or the Monk's Flurry of Blows.

I'll get back to you with an actual list, because this is gonna take some thinking lol

You can build monk to run like a rogue its kinda funny.

[alcibiades]

honestly i think the problem is just shadowheart. i have 2 cleric tavs and they wipe the floor with everything.

[Wokelander]

Originally posted by Rising Gale:

I am curious to see what the tier list is for classes, for me the worst class in my opinion is cleric even monk is more useful than cleric because it at least can dodge consistently, Cleric accuracy issues on shadowheart was so bad it immediately made me swap her to pally and she went from being useless outside buffing after that to being a force of nature when she gets close enough to stab with a spear lol. S tier would prob be Fighter and Pally (Paladin) . What do you guys think?

Really depends on your definition of what is good/powerful

[frowningmirror]

Cleric starts getting good at level 5 when they get spirit guardians. You probably aren't missing with sacred flame, its more likely it's getting resisted, unfortunately it's just the cantrip itself, the only thing that makes enemies less likely to succeed in dex saves is bestow curse.

[HunterAnubis]

druid or necromancer is on top. the amount of summons you can have is just absurd :D