X character would be impossible to beat makes no sense.

[Izlude]

So you probably heard someone claim that Elminster can solo your entire party or beat god gale or you will hear that Zariel is so powerful that Tav and Karlach couldnt beat her. However there is not a single reference to any statblock that would put them as even 25% as strong as the last bosses I killed. (Modded Apostle of Myrkul whose lowest stat is 36 dexterity and his highest stat is 400 intelligence and I solo'd him) so I cant fathom how they are suddenly gonna be too powerful to fight if I can literally solo stuff with stats in the hundreds then Elminster with his in lore stat of 24 intelligence and 275 hp he would be about as much of a threat to Tav as a goblin is.

[Wokelander]

ok

[Recjawjind]

1: Various safety nets all high level wizards have. Simulacrums, contingency, clone etc
2: Silver Fire
3: Silver Fire
4: Silver Fire
5: Silver Fire
6: Being so ridiculously overgeared compared to what your party can muster at any stage in the game
7: Silver Fire

[Izlude]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

1: Various safety nets all high level wizards have. Simulacrums, contingency, clone etc
2: Silver Fire
3: Silver Fire
4: Silver Fire
5: Silver Fire
6: Being so ridiculously overgeared compared to what your party can muster at any stage in the game
7: Silver Fire

You realize he isnt the only wizard in existence right and that literally anyone can just respec into being a wizard right? and uh bg2 showed he didnt have safety nets, he straight up dies there if you decide to kill him and its not a simulacrum in that game, its just him.

[Wokelander]

The grasp on reality in this thread seems tenuous

[Remnant Melody]

Weeezard Leeezards!

[Izlude]

Originally posted by Khorvale:

The grasp on reality in this thread seems tenuous

Weird to make fun of yourself like that but you do you I guess bro.

[hermit0wl]

If it has stats, it can be killed.
That's where plot armour comes in :P

[Izlude]

Originally posted by hermit0wl:

If it has stats, it can be killed.
That's where plot armour comes in :P

Plot armor only exists in extremely bad writing though. You are right about the stats since even if you go a bit nutty like Disgaea does and have stat points in the trillions its still always possible to find victory.

[hermit0wl]

Originally posted by Scott Valentine:

Plot armor only exists in extremely bad writing though.

Well...yes and no. I mean, it may be bad writng, but it may also be a necessity when there's combat mechanics involved.

[Izlude]

Originally posted by hermit0wl:

Originally posted by Scott Valentine:

Plot armor only exists in extremely bad writing though.

Well...yes and no. I mean, it may be bad writng, but it may also be a necessity when there's combat mechanics involved.

Well I dont agree that bad writing is ever a necessity. If you dont want someone killing an npc the simple thing is just dont put that npc in the game or give the players a reason to not want to kill them. If you put an npc in a game that acts all "im so powerful lol" but you just can wreck them in a fight without any trouble but they just go "no im alive because dm said so even though it defies all logic and shatters immersion" then it becomes basically a Den of the Drake horror story. seriously thats 90% of the horror stories is "dmpc cant be killed even after it was fairly defeated in combat because the dm sucks"

[Wedge]

Doesn't matter as long as magic exists many highly renowned, worshipped, loved or feared are extremely hard to kill if not impossible. Could he beat a party of equally geared demi's? No, not likely unless he had already prepared 20 iron golems to DD onto your silly ass but it wouldn't really matter he's far too highly renowned and people will just res or reincarnate him. Elm can only be beaten when wotc says he's been beaten.

[AsianGirlLover]

Magic is all well and good, but nothing beats a Barbarian with a pointy stick.

[zacharyb]

Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Magic is all well and good, but nothing beats a Barbarian with a pointy stick.

What about a Barbarian that throws a gnome that has a pointy stick?

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Magic is all well and good, but nothing beats a Barbarian with a pointy stick.

Unga bunga!

[War Maiden]

Originally posted by Scott Valentine:

So you probably heard someone claim that Elminster can solo your entire party or beat god gale

Well, from just a cursory search this is Zariel, the Fallen Angel.
https://www.aidedd.org/dnd/monstres.php?vo=zariel

For those whom fear links:

Zariel
[ Zariel ]
Large Fiend (Devil), Lawful Evil

Armor Class 21 (natural armor)

Hit Points 420 (29d10 + 261) Speed 50 ft., fly 150 ft.
STR 27 (+8)
DEX 24 (+7)
CON 28 (+9)
INT 26 (+8)
WIS 27 (+8)
CHA 30 (+10)

Saving Throws Int +16, Wis +16, Cha +18

Skills Intimidation +18, Perception +16

Damage Resistances cold, fire, radiant; bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing from non-magical attacks that aren't silvered

Damage Immunities: necrotic, poison

Condition Immunities: charmed, exhaustion, frightened, poisoned

Senses darkvision: 120 ft., passive Perception 26

Languages: all; telepathy 120 ft.

Challenge 26 (90000 XP)
Proficiency Bonus +8

Devil's Sight.

Legendary Resistance (3/Day).

Magic Resistance.

Regeneration.

Actions: Multiattack.
Flail, Longsword.

Horrid Touch (Recharge 5–6).

Spellcasting.

Teleport.

Legendary actions:
Teleport.
Immolating Gaze (Costs 2 Actions).

Originally posted by Scott Valentine:

or you will hear that Zariel is so powerful that Tav and Karlach couldnt beat her. However there is not a single reference to any statblock that would put them as even 25% as strong as the last bosses I killed. (Modded Apostle of Myrkul whose lowest stat is 36 dexterity and his highest stat is 400 intelligence and I solo'd him) so I cant fathom how they are suddenly gonna be too powerful to fight if I can literally solo stuff with stats in the hundreds then Elminster with his in lore stat of 24 intelligence and 275 hp he would be about as much of a threat to Tav as a goblin is.

So where did you fight an 'Apostle of Myrkul' AND how could it possibly have 400 INT?

While a modded Tav can kill almost anything in BG3, I doubt a legitimate Tav can kill the First Circle of Hell's Arch-Demoness. Why? Because Zariel isn't stupid. She is akin to the Turians of Mass Effect 3, known for her strength enhancement to her bloodline. "Destroy the Enemy --- With overwhelming force" Meaning you don't just fight her. She will pull every denizen of the First circle to her aid. Why? Because it is smart tactically. Why would any Field Commander fight a force alone, when they can pull reinforcements for every corner of their resource pool to aid them? Yea, nobody with any tactical saavy, that is for sure.

As for Elminster, well, he is kinda on his own.
I am sure he can conjure some undead and all but he isn't as young as springtime anymore so that will tax his mana, unlike Zariel whos' minions already exist an can be portal'd in like the Avengers Endgame Fight - oh and uh... without a sling ring. =3