Any reasonable in-game justification for recruiting Minthara on a good guy playthrough?

[♂Warrior of Gachi♂]

So they added a way to recruit Minthara without killing the tieflings - great. But why would any good aligned character do that? Say I roleplay a non-lethal hippie guy, he knocks Minthara out instead of killing her. Or maybe I just roleplay as if she somehow survived even after I tried to kill her, whatever. But then in Act 2 - why would I recruit her? She is 100% evil afaik, no remorse or anything like that and there are no circumstances that would make recruiting her valuable to you as the player character (you don't need her help, she doesn't know anything that you don't already know).

Tell me how you would justify recruiting her in a good party, because I want to try her out and see her content. In-game story justification, not "I want the drow mommy in my team" ♥♥♥♥.

[Time Traveler]

Originally posted by ♂PUDGUS♂:

Tell me how you would justify recruiting her in a good party, because I want to try her out and see her content. In-game story justification, not "I want the drow mommy in my team" ♥♥♥♥.

Spoilers: The Minthara you meet in Act I is the victim of mind control. She was looking for a way to defeat your common enemy before they tricked her. Once you have freed her, she is much more likable, but still pretty arrogant. Instead of the "kill everyone in the name of the Absolute" murder hobo, she will be the product of her extreme upbringing rather than a mindless. Basically, she is not truly "chaotic evil" and will change her paladin oath to defeat your common enemies while eventually cherishing your friendship.

[Mander]

There are some: mainly she has been brainwashed, just as any other true soul out there.
Very little of what she has been doing since being forced to join the absolutists, is something she would agree on.
AND with the last patch, you can also recruit her after saving the Grove. Just knock her out after making her temporary hostile, and you'll be able to rescue her in ACT II.

[SoundsOfNight]

Nope, it's completely metagaming for those who wish to do so.

[✙205🍉🐆→]

Devs were simply provoked by a community of pink princesses who don't want to play for evil because it is limited to party members and quests

[Fluffykeith]

I'd rather there was some option to break her mind control and get her to agree to leave the goblin camp. Just make the rolls required difficult or have the player need to do something in game to trigger it.

[♂Warrior of Gachi♂]

Originally posted by Time Traveler:

Originally posted by ♂PUDGUS♂:

Tell me how you would justify recruiting her in a good party, because I want to try her out and see her content. In-game story justification, not "I want the drow mommy in my team" ♥♥♥♥.

Spoilers: The Minthara you meet in Act I is the victim of mind control. She was looking for a way to defeat your common enemy before they tricked her. Once you have freed her, she is much more likable, but still pretty arrogant. Instead of the "kill everyone in the name of the Absolute" murder hobo, she will be the product of her extreme upbringing rather than a mindless. Basically, she is not truly "chaotic evil" and will change her paladin oath to defeat your common enemies while eventually cherishing your friendship.

Interesting. I did not know about her fight against the "common enemy". That's a good enough reason for me, thanks.

[Quacksalber]

If you are a hippie guy it's easy to rationalise. Minthara was being mind controlled. Now you might still think Drow= Evil, but if you are not a lawful good type, you should still be able to accept people from different cultures etc, even if your morals don't align, as long as said person isn't going around murdering everyone and so on.

[Shale]

Originally posted by ♂PUDGUS♂:

Originally posted by Time Traveler:

Spoilers: The Minthara you meet in Act I is the victim of mind control. She was looking for a way to defeat your common enemy before they tricked her. Once you have freed her, she is much more likable, but still pretty arrogant. Instead of the "kill everyone in the name of the Absolute" murder hobo, she will be the product of her extreme upbringing rather than a mindless. Basically, she is not truly "chaotic evil" and will change her paladin oath to defeat your common enemies while eventually cherishing your friendship.

Interesting. I did not know about her fight against the "common enemy". That's a good enough reason for me, thanks.

In all fairness you don't ever know about this until you recruit her, so deciding to spare her still requires a bit of meta gaming, or at least a mentality that every life should be spared when possible, or perhaps a character that thinks they can redeem her after seeing her hit her lowest point.

[♂Warrior of Gachi♂]

Originally posted by Shale:

Originally posted by ♂PUDGUS♂:

Interesting. I did not know about her fight against the "common enemy". That's a good enough reason for me, thanks.

In all fairness you don't ever know about this until you recruit her, so deciding to spare her still requires a bit of meta gaming, or at least a mentality that every life should be spared when possible, or perhaps a character that thinks they can redeem her after seeing her hit her lowest point.

Hmm. I was considering playing Drow myself, so I'll probably do something like "she's drow just like me and I'm not that bad, maybe I can "fix her"" or something.

Close enough I guess.

[Stiven]

Originally posted by ♂PUDGUS♂:

good aligned character do that

Because this retarded system has been throw out in 5e?

[Bob Salot]

Minthara has a truckload of remorse over her actions while controlled by the A******e.

[Crimsomrider]

Personally I always knocked her out because she is just a victim, but now I;

• still knock her out because she is just a victim.
  
• I spare her because that's my way of doing things.
  
• I recruit her because an enemy of my enemy is a friend.

She's a wonderfully written character who is just a victim of the Absolute. And Larian made a grave mistake by locking her behind a stupid exclusivity choice which is underdeveloped and doesn't even change the story in a meaningful way.

So they've done the right thing by making her available to everyone.

Games like Star Wars Knights Of The Old Republic despite having LIGHT and DARK sides, also had all companions available (with the exception of Mira/Han Harr), except there it was done so much more better there and that was an RPG from two decades ago.

Imagine if Visas Marr was locked exclusively to Dark Side and not be able to bring her to the light, just because the game needed a BS exclusivity choice. That'd be a horrible design decision, which is precisely what Minthara's is.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Because Dommy Mommy, that's why.

[Mike Garrison]

It does still seem more than a little metagamy. Does the game give you any clue that Minthara can be recruited? You can't recruit Gut or Dror Ragzlin, right? They are both true souls. Why would you expect that Minthara could be recruited?

[B Unit]

Originally posted by Mike Garrison:

It does still seem more than a little metagamy. Does the game give you any clue that Minthara can be recruited? You can't recruit Gut or Dror Ragzlin, right? They are both true souls. Why would you expect that Minthara could be recruited?

The only clue is that her inventory contains things only companions have like undies and camp clothes. That said, the current 'good' recruitment method still feels like a bug and it would be nice for a more logical recruitment path.