BG 1 & 2 are a lot better IMO

[Hostile_18]

Gave this game 20 hours, really wanted to love it, but it's just so slow, especially the combat. The first two games I've put hundreds of hours into but this feels more like a Divinity game. The story hasn't clicked with me either, I don't care about the Goblin Camp or the Grove. It's a shame as BG2 especially is one of the greatest games ever made. I can see this been an amazing game for fans of the tabletop DnD. but as fan of the actual previous games, I'm pretty disappointed. I'm just playing wondering why I'm not thinking its as wonderful as everyone else seems to find it TBH.

Modern game wise much, much prefer something like the Witcher 3 with great characters, real time combat and an exciting story line and world to explore. Not posting this to upset people who love this game, but i think its worth noting the praise isn't universal.

[Hostile_18]

Originally posted by zero:

nothing stopping you from playing bg1 & 2 if you want to, seems like a simple solution to me.

opinions will always be opinions.

for me personally: i always found that bg1&2 were good for their time but my rose tinted goggles were never strong, i saw the issues in spades, especially in terms of the gameplay loop, this game fixes most of my major complaints with the series.

its not perfect, by no stretch, but i cant imagine ever going back to the old games unless they did some pretty major reworking of them.

I finished a BG2 run through this year. It was a great time. Still in no rush to play again. Once every 10 years or so is enough for me. Plenty of games to play, it's been an amazing year. Perhaps that's part of the problem. Games now have to connect with us fairly deeply to make it worth our time. Just been "ok" (for me) isn't enough to commit 100+ hours. I feel the same way about a few other large games... usually ubisoft games lol. I get to the point where I'm thinking how much fun am I having with this, with my limited time vs time wasting akin to channel surfing... or it been more addictive than fun (not talking about this game specifically).

[zero]

Originally posted by Hostile_18:

Originally posted by zero:

nothing stopping you from playing bg1 & 2 if you want to, seems like a simple solution to me.

opinions will always be opinions.

for me personally: i always found that bg1&2 were good for their time but my rose tinted goggles were never strong, i saw the issues in spades, especially in terms of the gameplay loop, this game fixes most of my major complaints with the series.

its not perfect, by no stretch, but i cant imagine ever going back to the old games unless they did some pretty major reworking of them.

I finished a BG2 run through this year. It was a great time. Still in no rush to play again. Once every 10 years or so is enough for me. Plenty of games to play, it's been an amazing year. Perhaps that's part of the problem. Games now have to connect with us fairly deeply to make it worth our time. Just been "ok" (for me) isn't enough to commit 100+ hours. I feel the same way about a few other large games... usually ubisoft games lol. I get to the point where I'm thinking how much fun am I having with this, with my limited time vs time wasting akin to channel surfing... or it been more addictive than fun (not talking about this game specifically).

yeah sorry i cant say i really put effort into thinking into games to the point where i feel i need to connect to it.

a fun game is a fun game, simple enough to me, if its gameplay loop is fun and its story is interesting, it'll get my time, this game managed that, the move to turn based was probably the deciding factor, if anything, i couldn't bother with a rtwp game that drags its heels and has to lean so heavily on the story to compensate.

[Dubbs09]

Originally posted by butbka:

Yet one another "I don't want to upset people but"- guy. Lol. As I said before: trolls nowadays are boring and not original and not smart. Same old song again and again.

He hasn't even gotten a 'jester/clown' award for this bait. Dude just wanted the points

OP is punching air right now

[Hostile_18]

Originally posted by Dubbs09:

Originally posted by butbka:

Yet one another "I don't want to upset people but"- guy. Lol. As I said before: trolls nowadays are boring and not original and not smart. Same old song again and again.

He hasn't even gotten a 'jester/clown' award for this bait. Dude just wanted the points

OP is punching air right now

Anyone who doesn't like the game as much as the originals must be trolling? I think you've become the thing you dislike lol.

I mean what am I baiting? An emotional response because I don't like the game as much as you do? I think if your at that level your too emotionally invested.

[Maraxus]

I am also a huge fan of the original Infinity Engine games and didn't find any new rpgs since then interesting until Larian's Divinity's and also quite liked nuXcom's tactical turn based combat so I guess It was almost a given I would have liked this. But on the bright side, this is probably the best you could hope after 20 years and a different dev, at least they didn't go chasing trends like Fallout and turned it into an FPS. The game has done a lot for reactivity and characterization of NPCs imo, every other game characters feel wooden by comparison, the story and dnd tropes are there too, give it a try with an open mind. ;)

[Hostile_18]

Originally posted by Maraxus:

I am also a huge fan of the original Infinity Engine games and didn't find any new rpgs since then interesting until Larian's Divinity's and also quite liked nuXcom's tactical turn based combat so I guess It was almost a given I would have liked this. But on the bright side, this is probably the best you could hope after 20 years and a different dev, at least they didn't go chasing trends like Fallout and turned it into an FPS. The game has done a lot for reactivity and characterization of NPCs imo, every other game characters feel wooden by comparison, the story and dnd tropes are there too, give it a try with an open mind. ;)

Yeah I kind of new what game we'd be getting when it was confirmed to by TB by Larian. I've just saved the Grove. So feels like a nice place to stop. Going to play some other games and maybe I will return one day. Its certainly not a bad game and I did have some fun. What it's trying to achieve it absolutely nails, even if those choices aren't for me personally. :)

[Maraxus]

You will eventually miss it I can predict it. xD

[Gregorovitch]

Originally posted by Hostile_18:

I guess it's just a shame at a personal level when it's a franchise you previously loved.

Well you call it a "franchise" as though BG1 and BG2 were the actual franchise whereas I don't, I call Faerun the franchise of which Baldurs Gate city is just a small part and so any number of games can be made in and around Baldur's Gate and they don't necessarily have to all conform to some standard, they can differ.

That's basically why even though I was a huge BG1/2 fan for many years I do not react to BG3 the same way as you do, I treat BG3 on it's own merits by it's own standards against the original IP of Faarun created by WotC.

But whatever, each to their own. What I would say to you is that if you haven't played Pathfinder: War of the Righteous yet than IMO that should be your next stop because a) it is also a fantastic cRPG and b) it is much closer in style and feel to the original BG games than BG3 is.

[Kafik]

Ok thanks for sharing.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

Well you call it a "franchise" as though BG1 and BG2 were the actual franchise whereas I don't, I call Faerun the franchise of which Baldurs Gate city is just a small part and so any number of games can be made in and around Baldur's Gate and they don't necessarily have to all conform to some standard, they can differ.

And that's really he sadest part I find in a lot of the BG1 and BG2 fans, how unaware they are of how huge the IP really is.
Icewind Dale, Neverwinter, Baldurs Gate...it's all part of the same IP. They are not seperate, together with many, many other games.
Since 1981, there has only been a single year where there was no Dungeons & Dragons Videogame
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_video_games
Tht's how huge the overarching IP is.
It's 42 yers of Videogames, and a lot of them bring it down to 2 "measily" "little" games.
And that's kinda sad really.
And it's not only the aforementioned 3 cities.
While it isn't part of the forgotten realms, even Planescape Torment is part of the even bigger Dungeons&Dragons IP. Then there's Ravenloft, Greyhawk, Eberron, Dragonlance, Dark Sun etc pp....
And there's not only RTWP vs tb....
There's RTS, there's action adventure there are hack and slash, action platformer and there was even a friggin dragon flight simulator. back in 1990...
And yet here people come over and over and complain about "it's not like BG1 and BG2"...

[Anima Mundi]

I think maybe if they didn't call this project Baldur's Gate 3, people would actually understand this is not a true sequel in terms of gameplay, and only ties a bit here and there in terms of Lore

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by Anima Mundi:

I think maybe if they didn't call this project Baldur's Gate 3, people would actually understand this is not a true sequel in terms of gameplay, and only ties a bit here and there in terms of Lore

However that most likely came from wotc.
And from their POV BG3 might make a whole lot of sense as the third game in the arch around the events in Baldurs Gate...apart from it already being an established and well regarded name, which I'm sure WOTC's marketing department loved... ;)

[Anima Mundi]

Also honestly, the whole "vintage is gold" trope is kinda tiring.
I loved BG1 and BG2 back in the day. But these games really haven't aged that well.
I mean most games don't age well when played over a decade later.
I mean there are exceptions, specially in the RTS genre.
AOE 2 in HD plays great today. RCT still plays great, etc. Majority of games don't though, either due to graphics, mechanics or simply controls constrains, that are not up to expectations today, regardless if you're a teen or an old fart like me. gamers evolved with the games. Those old things rarely age well period

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by Anima Mundi:

Also honestly, the whole "vintage is gold" trope is kinda tiring.
I loved BG1 and BG2 back in the day. But these games really haven't aged that well.
I mean most games don't age well when played over a decade later.
I mean there are exceptions, specially in the RTS genre.
AOE 2 in HD plays great today. RCT still plays great, etc. Majority of games don't though, either due to graphics, mechanics or simply controls constrains, that are not up to expectations today, regardless if you're a teen or an old fart like me. gamers evolved with the games. Those old things rarely age well period

Don't forget the original XCom...still great TB Strategy, no matter what anybody says...that reminds me...I really need to put some money aside for xenonauts 2....:)

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Yeah, idk if the BG games were good in their time or not - I didn't play them - but there's no way I could play them today, they're just so dated.