Worship of some gods like Bhaal is hard to imagine when you think about it

[Xanikk]

I'm not aware of any "evil" religions in real life or even any evil polytheistic dieties that people worshipped historically. What would motivate someone to do so? Dieties like Bhaal are incompitable with a functioning society. How would a society that worships a god that promotes indiscriminate murder stick together? It's chaotic and would fall apart. Of course this is explained in game by the fact that it's not a government promoted religion yet there are other religions in the DND universe that are openly evil and operate openly. I think Bane worships is one of them iirc.

So can someone prove me wrong and bring up some real life parellels or is evil gods being worshipped only really in the realm of fantasy?

[Xanikk]

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"im not aware of any evil religions in real life"

Catholics: Exist

When I said that I meant evil like DND evil religions. We don't have anyone worshipping murder and carrying out murders as some sort of religious ritual like we do in BG3 for Bhaal worshippers... Or do we?

[Orion Invictus]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Lashane The Phantom:

"im not aware of any evil religions in real life"

Catholics: Exist

When I said that I meant evil like DND evil religions. We don't have anyone worshipping murder and carrying out murders as some sort of religious ritual like we do in BG3 for Bhaal worshippers... Or do we?

Again, accelerationists and ♥♥♥♥♥. They know perfectly well what they're doing. There may not be a ritualistic component, but they know what they are.

[Narky]

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I'm not aware of any "evil" religions in real life or even any evil polytheistic dieties that people worshipped historically. What would motivate someone to do so? Dieties like Bhaal are incompitable with a functioning society. How would a society that worships a god that promotes indiscriminate murder stick together? It's chaotic and would fall apart. Of course this is explained in game by the fact that it's not a government promoted religion yet there are other religions in the DND universe that are openly evil and operate openly. I think Bane worships is one of them iirc.

So can someone prove me wrong and bring up some real life parellels or is evil gods being worshipped only really in the realm of fantasy?

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Baal worship became very common in the Ancient Near East. This is why Baal is mentioned in Phoenician, Babylonian, Aramaic and even Egyptian sources. In some Ugaritic source. In another occurrence Baal appears as the son of Dagon, the god cultivated by the Philistines.

Baal worship was completely immoral. In the cults and rituals dedicated to this false god there were orgy, prostitution and many lascivious acts even human sacrifices being most of them virgin womans or childrens in Baals name. Even images of Baal were caressed and kissed. These images typically had the appearance of bulls and calves among others.


He was a false God worshiped by an uncultured people and followers of evil rituals and mysticism. A false god, worthy of being among the false gods of this fantasy game called BG3

Uh.

You know Bhaal from BG3 has nothing to do with with Canaanite-Phoenician god of fertility, rain, and storms, yes (Baal)?

Bhaal is the literal God of Murder in BG3. A mortal ascended to Godhood by Jergal who by the time of BG3 is a Quasi-Deity (he was killed in mortal form during the Year of Shadows when all gods got de-powered by THE GOD (Ao) for f*cking around too much), given the Portfolio of Murder under the domain of Death.

[Xanikk]

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We don't speak Latin, the origins of the word are irrelevant to the biological definition of the term. A child is a person, a person has a mind. A fetus lacks the brain development to qualify. If it progressed into something that could it would no longer qualify as a fetus but be a baby.

Well you're clearly not a linguist nor biologist.

No he has a point and you can't handwave it away like that and expect people to take you seriously. The word Fetus in Latin has no bearing on what it means in English nowadays. If someone says Fetus they are referring to an embryonic stage in humans which is not the same as a child which is post-birth.

[Sonic Titan]

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Also if this slavery was so bad, how come god never spoke out against slavery? He spoke out against mixing fabrics but not slavery :lunar2020thinkingtiger:

Exodus 21:16
Deuteronomy 24:7

Matthew 21:17

Think about it.

[Xrystus]

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Exodus 21:16
Deuteronomy 24:7

Matthew 21:17

Think about it.

Matthew 21:17 - And he left them, and went out of the city into Bethany; and he lodged there.
I do think about Jesus fulfilling a prophecy quite a bit. Praise Jesus our Lord and Savior.

[XGear]

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Baal worship became very common in the Ancient Near East. This is why Baal is mentioned in Phoenician, Babylonian, Aramaic and even Egyptian sources. In some Ugaritic source. In another occurrence Baal appears as the son of Dagon, the god cultivated by the Philistines.

Baal worship was completely immoral. In the cults and rituals dedicated to this false god there were orgy, prostitution and many lascivious acts even human sacrifices being most of them virgin womans or childrens in Baals name. Even images of Baal were caressed and kissed. These images typically had the appearance of bulls and calves among others.


He was a false God worshiped by an uncultured people and followers of evil rituals and mysticism. A false god, worthy of being among the false gods of this fantasy game called BG3

Uh.

You know Bhaal from BG3 has nothing to do with with Canaanite-Phoenician god of fertility, rain, and storms, yes (Baal)?

Bhaal is the literal God of Murder in BG3. A mortal ascended to Godhood by Jergal who by the time of BG3 is a Quasi-Deity (he was killed in mortal form during the Year of Shadows when all gods got de-powered by THE GOD (Ao) for f*cking around too much), given the Portfolio of Murder under the domain of Death.

No I did not know. I'm not a fanatical Dungeons and Dragons connoisseur. I only played BG3 and Shadow over Mystara on the Sega Saturn. I never had experience with board games. But why did the game use the name of this false God from the Bible?


https://youtu.be/AmFPr8A2fdQ?feature=shared

[Mormacil]

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Not that many, slavery in Ancient Egypt wasn't remotely as bad as it was in the New World. It wasn't Brazil were they had to continuously import slaves because it was one of the few places in the world where slaves died to fast you couldn't breed a stable population. It wasn't the USA, the only known place in history to have slave breeding programs and slave farms. People died but not that many, we have the grave details to proof it. You're aware the pyramids weren't touched by slave labor right? They were divine projects, using slave labor was an insult to the gods.
Also if this slavery was so bad, how come god never spoke out against slavery? He spoke out against mixing fabrics but not slavery

Slavery in those times was countlessly worse according to historians. There were no slave rights and Pharaoh's monarchical system was the only law. As the Hebrew people were foreigners, they were treated like real animals or even worse. The slavery described was not directly related to the construction of pyramids but as a system of servitude for all Egyptian needs at the time. God was not against slavery at the time because it was a common practice. However, masters should treat slaves well, providing them with human conditions and a dignified life. Many masters at that time even gave freedom to their slaves, giving them many goods to become land owners.
What caused the Hebrew God's anger against Paharó was the arrogance of ignoring the freedom of his people, even after warnings and signs that there really was a living God there, vindicating the people who belonged to him. Pharao wanted to face him, and what is written in the books happened.

There is no evidence of a large hebrew slave population in Egypt, that's just a story in a book. No reputable archeologist has evidence of such a thing.

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Also if this slavery was so bad, how come god never spoke out against slavery? He spoke out against mixing fabrics but not slavery

Exodus 21:16
Deuteronomy 24:7

Exodus 21:16 speaks of kidnapping or arguably illegal enslavement. Neither of those are applicable to legal slave trade.
Deuteronomy 24:7 only refers to Hebrews, again he says nothing about slavery as a concept. He merely says Hebrews shouldn't enslave each other.

So I say once again, weird how he never spoke out about general slavery. By that I mean the legal system of owning and trading people regardless of ethnicity or religion.

[Mormacil]

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Exodus 21:16
Deuteronomy 24:7

Matthew 21:17

Think about it.

What about it? It says nothing against slavery.

[Jadedragon]

Satanists exist today, the khali cult did exist (luckily not anymore) and in feudal asian nations they had also their "underworld" gods not to mention the ancient greek and ancient egypts with goods of war and shadows and what not. I think the egypt had a godess of poison if im not mistaken. Vikings Gods would also be deemed evil gods by christians back then im pretty sure.

While most of these examples are probably a case of your own personal view on things the khali stuff was really, really dark. And there is a satanic church and satanic bible existing to this day even.

[MattStriker]

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Technically North Korea is one lol

Dictatorships are really orderly, and putting the good of all the people over the individual would be considered good by most. The results, tough, are deplorable.

They like to look orderly but usually are the opposite. The internal structures of ♥♥♥♥ germany for example were a darkly hilarious mess where literally dozens of redundant bureaucratic hierarchies worked at cross purposes and that's before you add in the ego-tripping leaders taking a personal interest.

[XGear]

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There is no evidence of a large hebrew slave population in Egypt, that's just a story in a book. No reputable archeologist has evidence of such a thing.

How can you say there is no evidence and its just book hystori? You were there? If you wasn't there, did you read it or heard it from somewhere correct? Which is also a book story. If not to trust my book, why should I trust yours? The manuscripts are there for anyone who wants to read, and everyone can believe what they want. The evidence is all contained in history.

[Mormacil]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Jadedragon:

Satanists exist today, the khali cult did exist (luckily not anymore) and in feudal asian nations they had also their "underworld" gods not to mention the ancient greek and ancient egypts with goods of war and shadows and what not. I think the egypt had a godess of poison if im not mistaken. Vikings Gods would also be deemed evil gods by christians back then im pretty sure.

While most of these examples are probably a case of your own personal view on things the khali stuff was really, really dark. And there is a satanic church and satanic bible existing to this day even.

What underworld gods are evil? Hades didn't kill anyone, he was the god of the dead, not dying. What about Hermes and Demeter? Chthonic/underworld merely meant they dwelled below the surface of the living world. It has no moral connotations. Even Zeus is tied to that as his epiteth Zeus Chthonios.

Ra was also a chthonic deity with his daily travel through the underworld. That word has nothing negative.

[Narky]

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Uh.

You know Bhaal from BG3 has nothing to do with with Canaanite-Phoenician god of fertility, rain, and storms, yes (Baal)?

Bhaal is the literal God of Murder in BG3. A mortal ascended to Godhood by Jergal who by the time of BG3 is a Quasi-Deity (he was killed in mortal form during the Year of Shadows when all gods got de-powered by THE GOD (Ao) for f*cking around too much), given the Portfolio of Murder under the domain of Death.

No I did not know. I'm not a fanatical Dungeons and Dragons connoisseur. I only played BG3 and Shadow over Mystara on the Sega Saturn. I never had experience with board games. But why did the game use the name of this false God from the Bible?


https://youtu.be/AmFPr8A2fdQ?feature=shared

Probably because it sounded good at the time?

The reason can be quite as simple as that.

[Mormacil]

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There is no evidence of a large hebrew slave population in Egypt, that's just a story in a book. No reputable archeologist has evidence of such a thing.

How can you say there is no evidence and its just book hystori? You were there? If you wasn't there, did you read it or hear it from somewhere correct? Which is also a book story. If not to trust my book, why should I trust yours? The manuscripts are there for anyone who wants to read, and everyone can believe what they want. The evidence is all contained in history.

There is no evidence because we looked and Egyptians were quite good record keepers. You know what evidence is right? Just because a text says something isn't evidence. The fact no significant number of graves have any hebrew ancestry points to other sources of slaves. Primarily Nubian btw, the lands in the south were a common source of slaves but Berbers weren't undesired either.

I don't ask you to trust any book, I ask you to trust the graves and the peer reviewed studies. The Bible is rive with inaccuracies and things that directly contradict our physical archeological evidence. You have to willfully ignore the truth to not see that.