So, this game REALLY hates concentration spells.

[The Civillian]

Just...the title.

Firstly Devs, being prone does NOT break concentration in 5e, and their are far too many abilities in this game that knock you flat on your back.

Next, the dice hate's concentration. 9/10 if I make a con save (for the smallest amount of damage) I don't just fail it...it fails CRITICALLY, aka NAT 1, infact I'm pretty sure Nat 1 is the most common dice roll I've seen and I've almost completed the game.

Next the NPC's HATE concentration.

If they are within range of a PC that has concentration (While in a fight) they will DOGPILE that PC.

What concentration spell...it doesn't matter, friends, bless, guidance...ANYTHING.

The NPC are Omnipotent in this regard, cast a concentration spell at the start of the day, (Shield of faith) and the the fight at the end of the day EVERYONE seems to know what PC is concentrating on a spell XD

anyone else experienced this

[Moonbane]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Amirit:

There is a medium armour that grants an advantage on concentration saves. Also, boots adding +3 to Con saves. I am sure something else exists too.
Yes, all enemies are scripted to ignore heavy-armoured characters and go first for the one with the lowest AC, then for someone with concentration. But there are ways to counter it.

Cant see any armor with advantage on concentration saves, but theres multiple with advantage on constitution saves. I think you mixed it up.
Moon Devotion Robe - Cloth
Armour of Landfall - Light
Spidersilk Armour - Light
Dark Justiciar Half-Plate - Medium
Barkskin Armour - Medium

[Xrystus]

Resilient Constitution and War Caster are your friends.

[Piperbird]

Do you not immediately try to break concentration when an opponent has something up? Why is it cheating when they do the same to you?

There are feats, there are potions, there's getting your con up. You have choices.

[butbka]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Moonbane:

Cant see any armor with advantage on concentration saves, but theres multiple with advantage on constitution saves. I think you mixed it up.

I think you mixed it up. There are no "concentration saves". There are concentration checks. "Con saves" means constitution saves.

[Xrystus]

Oprindeligt skrevet af butbka:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Moonbane:

Cant see any armor with advantage on concentration saves, but theres multiple with advantage on constitution saves. I think you mixed it up.

I think you mixed it up. There are no "concentration saves". There are concentration checks. "Con saves" means constitution saves.

Actually concentration saves ARE a thing from DnD 5e, they are short for "concentration saving throws" and are BASED ON constitution but are not constitution saving throws exactly. The terminology is a little confusing, sure, but many things give bonuses to concentration saves that do not grant bonuses to constitution saves.
The term "con saves" does however mean "constitution saving throws" due to CON directly meaning constitution in the character stats.

[dolby]

I have no problems with holding Concentration but the system itself is horrible.

But i still know that concentration should be reworked it's horrible as is and has no place in video game where you have CPu to track what you can and can't stack...

The biggest thing about concentration is the irony that the concentration part of concentration is fine but the limit of spells you can cast with it now that's idiocy at it's best...

It makes half of the spells edge cases at best and in loads if not most cases a complete waste of space of a spell..

Larian even made gazzilion substitute for it making the whole system even weirder now having two options one with concentration and one without....

[butbka]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Xrystus:

The term "con saves" does however mean "constitution saving throws" due to CON directly meaning constitution in the character stats.

Thanks, nice to know.

[Mr. Death UwU]

Falling prone does cause you to lose concentration in 5e, it says in the source material that things other than damage can cause con checks for concentration at the DM's discretion.

You have a skill issue.

[Cerebrum123]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mal:

If only there were ways in the game to buff your chance to save...maybe even an elixir?

That elixir doesn't really do much. Warcaster is equally bad at keeping concentration going. Adding Resilience to constitution helps a bit but I still lose it more often than not even at 16 or higher constitution and Warcaster.

[sevensided]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Xrystus:

Actually concentration saves ARE a thing from DnD 5e, they are short for "concentration saving throws" and are BASED ON constitution but are not constitution saving throws exactly.

As an aside, this is incorrect. There are no concentration saves. There are concentration checks, which are, in fact, constitution saving throws with DC's either based on the damage that cause them, or a flat 10.

The terminology is a little confusing, sure, but many things give bonuses to concentration saves that do not grant bonuses to constitution saves.

Kinda of correct. There are things that give bonuses to concentration checks , like warcaster, that do not apply to constitution saving throws in general. But any bonus that applies to constitution saving throws WILL apply to a concentration check. Its a square/rectangle situation.


(relevant information regarding Concentration can be found on page 203 of the player's handbook in 5e)

[Boss]

Even in 5e, getting knocked prone can 'cause a concentration check (tho not break it immediately) if the DM decides, but it's not a "hard coded" rule, like getting hit forcing a concentration check.

Yes, the smallest amount of damage causes a concentration check. And no, 1 wasn't the most common roll, you just remember it because it pisses you off

Of course the NPCs hate concentration, you should too, they're often very powerful spells that can swing a fight.

You also know exactly which NPC is concentrating on what, if you just take a moment to check. Maybe keep characters concentrating on important spells outside the range of enemies, scrub.

Take Warcaster, take Resilient (Constitution), drink an Elixir, use items that improve CON saves, git gud. My Elderitch Knight has high Constitution, War Caster, and +2 from equipment on CON checks, and he can hold Expeditious Retreat all day

The only real problem with the game is that a single attack can 'cause like 3 or more concentration checks because of how damage is processed. If for example, the enemy has Colossus Slayer and hits you while you're less than max HP, the CS is applied as a separate instance of damage, so that's 2 saves. If it was a special arrow, that's 3, possibly more if it applies Burning or something. And you can do this same type of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if, for example, you trigger Sneak Attack through an interrupt

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

The concentration mechanic in D&D itself isn't very good.

I get why it exists, but it needs to be reworked so that it's more fun.

[Canadian Ninja]

People are rightly harping on all the ways to mitigate breaking concentration risks, or why it's a thing, but the fact that prone breaks concentration with no check is indeed absurd.

[Kafik]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Canadian Ninja:

People are rightly harping on all the ways to mitigate breaking concentration risks, or why it's a thing, but the fact that prone breaks concentration with no check is indeed absurd.

Oh yeah unexpectedly getting knocked to the ground, that doesn't make any sense why it would break one's concentration.

[Boss]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Canadian Ninja:

People are rightly harping on all the ways to mitigate breaking concentration risks, or why it's a thing, but the fact that prone breaks concentration with no check is indeed absurd.

It feels a bit cheap, but unlike in 5e, not everyone can even try to knock a creature prone. If you're play attention to where there's slippery surfaces, it's not that common