Say Goodbye to Druids, shamans and witches

[Alex]

Wizards of the coast in all their woke wisdom have deemed these classes problematic for some reason and at least some if not all will be removed or re-branded for MGT, which means eventually from every thing else. So enjoy it while it lasts.

[TamTroll]

Originally posted by ViperClaw:

Originally posted by TamTroll:

... what?

That is a quote from 1984. The motto of Oceania.

The pinnacle of what you can achieve with wordpolicing, propaganda, social engineering. Throughout history, every time when wordpolicing was involved, there always were malicious intentions and ideologies involved. Namely: Socialism. A reason to be VERY suspicious and critical when it comes to the topic as a whole.

Before you just blindly follow, maybe stop and ask yourself: Why?

When is enough, enough? When everything becomes apparently offensive to someone eventually, everything is about to get deconstructed and dissolves, redifined until nothing is left. The perfect ground to keep people in eternal uncertainty, willing to cling to a constant, a leading force, maybe a strong leader figure. Which brings me to my next point.

Originally posted by TamTroll:

Honestly, if it means fewer people saying "this [fictional thing] is problematic and thus needs to be cancelled", then i'd be okay with that.

Okay. So you just comply to artificial mob-pressure, witch hunts and tribalism, got you. I'm sure you would follow that leader just fine. No offense.

All i know is i hate it when people say "this [fictional thing] is actually [real-life thing] under a coat of paint, and therefore [fictional thing] isn't allowed anymore!" or something similar.

If we can prevent that by making the fictional things very clearly fictional by having as few real-life references as possible, so people who say that kind of thing have a much harder time finding a footing there, then it sounds like a win in my book.

Don't think that really makes me a socialist or whatever it is you're saying, but idk. I just want people to stop fighting over fictional things, so i'm thinking "what if we stop naming fictional things after real things?" as a compromise.

[Settings]

Originally posted by Zeb:

Originally posted by ᛊᚨᛁᛚᛟᚱ ᛗᛟᛟᚾ:

So I looked into it, all WoTC said was that they were examining whether or not to stop using "Witch" to refer exclusively to villains and whether or not to stop using Druid and Shaman as the default magic for evil tribal races.

In other words: None of this is true and it's just another thread designed to trick you into engaging in culture war nonsense.

IKR, the tumblrpost has barely any of the information in it to derive all the fearful drivel from OP.

Seriously, all they said was that they were looking into whether or not it was offensive to use real world pagan religions to refer exclusively to villains or Goblinoid races and that they might rebrand Witch to be a more general term instead of just being a synonym for "Evil hag"

[ViperClaw]

Originally posted by Duke Mirage:

Originally posted by MewTressym:

There's an old phrase I heard a lot growing up: "If you search hard enough for something, you will find it, even if it does not exist."

Like a secret political agenda?

If there is no proof for it whatsoever, sure. If there is, then it's neither secret nor imaginative.

There is a reason i'm calling it a cult.

But no, more like words being offensive and in need of change without actually being offensive and in need of change.

If this kind of wordpolicing would only happen as a fringe phenomenon, in mere games etc. it would not be as bad.

[Butcher]

Originally posted by ᛊᚨᛁᛚᛟᚱ ᛗᛟᛟᚾ:

Originally posted by Zeb:

IKR, the tumblrpost has barely any of the information in it to derive all the fearful drivel from OP.

Seriously, all they said was that they were looking into whether or not it was offensive to use real world pagan religions to refer exclusively to villains or Goblinoid races and that they might rebrand Witch to be a more general term instead of just being a synonym for "Evil hag"

Pathfinder did that long ago and witch class can have absolutely any alignment. And guess what, they didn't need any renaming for that.

[MewTressym]

Originally posted by The 13th Ghost Bunny:

Yeah, sounds a lot like one I heard growing up too:

"If you go out looking for trouble, you'll find it."

Yep, same idea. :)

[amathy]

So this is a total nothingburger crying about something happening with a completely different IP. Some of you losers on Steam will legit cry about everything.

[Settings]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by ᛊᚨᛁᛚᛟᚱ ᛗᛟᛟᚾ:

Seriously, all they said was that they were looking into whether or not it was offensive to use real world pagan religions to refer exclusively to villains or Goblinoid races and that they might rebrand Witch to be a more general term instead of just being a synonym for "Evil hag"

Pathfinder did that long ago and witch class can have absolutely any alignment. And guess what, they didn't need any renaming for that.

DnD doesn't have a Witch class. They said they're rebranding the word Witch to not exclusively mean "Evil hag" characters. You guys are making the rest up to start a culture war and nobody is falling for it.

[Butcher]

Originally posted by ᛊᚨᛁᛚᛟᚱ ᛗᛟᛟᚾ:

Originally posted by Butcher:

Pathfinder did that long ago and witch class can have absolutely any alignment. And guess what, they didn't need any renaming for that.

DnD doesn't have a Witch class. They said they're rebranding the word Witch to not exclusively mean "Evil hag" characters. You guys are making the rest up to start a culture war and nobody is falling for it.

This is about MTG, not about DnD. But say, you are right. Now, what are excuses for excluding druid and shaman?

[Lora Grim]

Does this "head designer" actually have enough sway to make this happen or is it just empty barking?

Either way, it wont change much. People will continue to use well established terms and titles like "witches, druids" and "shamans", because it is how we know them and what they are.

Like, i am far left and i don't support this nonsense. Hopefully it gets enough backlash that he sits the f back down and shuts his face hole.

[Settings]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by ᛊᚨᛁᛚᛟᚱ ᛗᛟᛟᚾ:

DnD doesn't have a Witch class. They said they're rebranding the word Witch to not exclusively mean "Evil hag" characters. You guys are making the rest up to start a culture war and nobody is falling for it.

This is about MTG, not about DnD. But say, you are right. Now, what are excuses for excluding druid and shaman?

MTG and DND are both owned by WoTC and you are conflating the two using things you're making up on the spot to trick people into being angry at "wokeness" and it fools nobody.

They never once said they were excluding Druid and Shaman, they said they were looking into whether or not their usage of Druids and Shamans for tribal magic was offensive to their real world counter parts. You're just lying lol

[Butcher]

Originally posted by ᛊᚨᛁᛚᛟᚱ ᛗᛟᛟᚾ:

Originally posted by Butcher:

This is about MTG, not about DnD. But say, you are right. Now, what are excuses for excluding druid and shaman?

MTG and DND are both owned by WoTC and you are conflating the two using things you're making up on the spot to trick people into being angry at "wokeness" and it fools nobody.

I know that both are owned by WoTC, that is exactly the main point. Again, what are excuses for excluding druid and shaman?

[Settings]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by ᛊᚨᛁᛚᛟᚱ ᛗᛟᛟᚾ:

MTG and DND are both owned by WoTC and you are conflating the two using things you're making up on the spot to trick people into being angry at "wokeness" and it fools nobody.

I know that both are owned by WoTC, that is exactly the main point. Again, what are excuses for excluding druid and shaman?

They aren't, they never said they would, and you're making it up lol

[Butcher]

Originally posted by ᛊᚨᛁᛚᛟᚱ ᛗᛟᛟᚾ:

They never once said they were excluding Druid and Shaman, they said they were looking into whether or not their usage of Druids and Shamans for tribal magic was offensive to their real world counter parts. You're just lying lol

Let me straight up quote answer from:
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/729738748608348160/in-reference-to-the-question-about-using-witch-as
"In reference to the question about using witch as a creature type: if 'witch' is excluded bc of its significance as a real world religious identifier, why are 'shaman' and 'druid' creature types?

We are currently examining that exact topic."

They are examining that topic. The topic being exclusion on the basis being real world religion. What am I lying about again? I presented it like it is without extra addition, while you are putting words in their mouth to make them look better.

[Duke Mirage]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Again, what are excuses for excluding druid and shaman?

Mr. Rosewater already explained that. It's still unclear what this has to do with Baldur's Gate 3.

[Zu]

What I ask myself is: What does any of this have to do with bg3?
If it was DnD I'd get it kinda still, but it's not even that. It's so many leaps of logic removed. Why is this a topic here?