Baldur's Gate 3

Baldur's Gate 3

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thefollowingcharacters Oct 7, 2023 @ 6:18am
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BG3 is the GOTY
Kind of tired of the trolls and weird people on here, so I decided to post what we all know: BG3 is GOTY material. Lets go over why shall we?

1. Balanced for engaging clever gameplay

Having run through close to twice now, the game really lets you play as anything. This is the first RPG I've REALLY roll played, because I don't feel the need to min/max to get through it. And yet, you still need to use what you have to get through the situation you're in. That feat is incredibly difficult to do, and yet they've nailed it.

2. The closest you'll ever get to a real life D&D game

I've DM'd and been a player in D&D and pen and paper games for decades. This IS a pen and paper game that's been given actual life in computer form. It has enough restraints to guide the players down the story, but incredible freedom in how they tackle it, sometimes with hilarious results. I've played the other Baldur's Gates and most CRPGs. While they give you some choice, its nothing close to this.

3. The technical mastery behind the game and its systems

Graphics are fantastically styled and will hold up for decades to come. The game runs great. The UI for ability bars should be a CRPG standard going forward because of its intuitiveness and ease of access. Leveling is simple enough for a new person to grasp, yet still gives us all the fun D&D shenanigans we're used to.

4. The sheer amount of draw dropping dialogue and outcomes that very few people will ever see

Because there are so many ways to approach a situation, its really amazing that you can miss so many things. Developers create content for their players, and many don't want players to miss it. Not here! Did you ever get Karlach to look at the screen and break the fourth wall with you? This is not a throw away line or two, but an entire dialogue tree. Very few people will see it, but its there regardless!

5. Top tier voice talent and writing

Its so good you might miss it. I've played so many CRPG and choice games where the selections don't meet my intentions. I've played many games where voice acting was likely done by a hobo paid by a meal. There are so many different tones and characters, and this is often masterfully displayed by both the main cast, and NPC characters. I almost can't believe they did it with the sheer amount of dialogue in this game.

At the end of the day, this has earned its ranks with Planescape Torment and BG2. In many ways, this game is even superior to those two. I will be recommending people who love RPGs to play BG3 for decades to come!
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Illuminary Oct 7, 2023 @ 6:32am 
If you're so tired of the trolls and the weird people why are you doing the exact same thing?

The game isn't goty material and you know it. Your nostalgia and hype for BG and/cRPGs doesn't carry the game remotely. The story is mid, writing is mid, it's loaded with bugs, more so with each patch and hotfix, combat is a slog.

The sooner the opposite ends of the spectrums stop beating their chest trying to prove their opinion as fact the better off people that just play games to play games will be.
WeebCentral Oct 7, 2023 @ 6:40am 
It would be a goty if it still wasn't riddled with so many odd bugs. It's a great game, but there are some issues that just shouldn't exist in a full release.

- Audio cutting out at a specific point in Act 2. Literally the audio cut offs entirely than mid sentence pops up again
- Some people (including me on ps5) having a dead ally, would still get their turn, but the game entirely just halts there. You can't end their turn or whatever, since they're dead.
- Weird head movements during some cutscenes
- Sometimes a delay after a second attack. Making it a full 5 second delay before anything happens. You can even end your turn and just start with your next character, but the damage towards that enemy is delayed and can still be targetted by the next character.
- Entire side quests simply disappearing if you don't do them right away. The Halsin quest at Lakeshore is one example to this. You could be like: "I'm calling it a day" and just save your game and close. Next day he can suddenly not stand there, which is weird, cause it was saved with him standing right on the rock.
Curfuffle Oct 7, 2023 @ 6:52am 
I was really excited for BG3 but it doesnt feel like a DnD game really. I feel like im playing a lame console game sometimes. It's fun, i just wish it wasnt called Baldur's gate, cause its not that and it's not GOYT. If this is what GOYT is...idk. Even POEII is a lot better. i got both Pathfinder games, but have yet to try them, looking forward to that. Fifth edition rule set seems to really suck too. :(

And idk why so many people are praising the writing in this game. Theres barely anything to read, barely any backstory to anything. Characters arent interesting. just feels like a console/early teen kind of writing/game. So much wasted potential.
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Cpt.P1mp Oct 7, 2023 @ 6:54am 
1- lol, point n clik
2-ok
3-also ok
4-lol, not even
5-voice yes, writing ♥♥♥♥.
5/10
Seagal Oct 7, 2023 @ 7:01am 
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. You can't give this game GOTY when it has / had the issues it did when it released and still to this day. When it's all patched and it has a "Definitive Edition" or something perhaps, then maybe it'll end up being the best game of 2023, but you don't or at least shouldn't review based on potential.

To me, objectively speaking, I'd give a GOTY to either 'The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom' or 'Resident Evil 4 Remake' before BG3, and don't like BotW - TotK Zelda, and I really don't like RE4R either.

I like BG3 better than both of those games, but those two games were far more polished, and masterpieces within their respective genres.

Hell, if we're giving out GOTY based on what I personally had the most fun with, then I still think I'd give it to a game that came out back in January and that's 'Fire Emblem Engage'.
Interesting. I'm not seeing anything substantial countering what I wrote besides bugs. I never encountered a single bug playing the game.
wagg40k Oct 7, 2023 @ 9:18am 
You couldn't use the other thread with the exact same name?
Exarch_Alpha Oct 7, 2023 @ 9:26am 
I´ll wait until 31 december to pass judgement.
Myrden Oct 7, 2023 @ 9:46am 
It's better than anything I've played this year, so it'd get my vote.
Quillithe Oct 7, 2023 @ 9:52am 
Originally posted by Illuminary:
If you're so tired of the trolls and the weird people why are you doing the exact same thing?

The game isn't goty material and you know it. Your nostalgia and hype for BG and/cRPGs doesn't carry the game remotely. The story is mid, writing is mid, it's loaded with bugs, more so with each patch and hotfix, combat is a slog.

The sooner the opposite ends of the spectrums stop beating their chest trying to prove their opinion as fact the better off people that just play games to play games will be.
Claiming it's GOTY isn't that wild. It is certainly believable that people think it was better than the other games this year. It's not even surprising.

Heck, even claiming it's the best CRPG of the decade isn't that odd, the games people like to mention as better crpgs didn't come out this decade.

Claiming it's the best game ever made would be a bit extreme, but that's not the claim here.

Basically it just sounds like you don't like the game and think everyone who does has an extreme viewpoint.
MrDammit Oct 7, 2023 @ 9:52am 
Could've been GoTY for me it just doesn't feel finished.
Act3 falls apart..
Originally posted by Cpt.P1mp:
1- lol, point n clik
2-ok
3-also ok
4-lol, not even
5-voice yes, writing ♥♥♥♥.
5/10

Just let the dude have his opinion, just like people who like the game should let those who don't have theirs.

Why is that so hard? And if you feel strongly enough in the other direction to comment on his opinion, why not at least try to have a civilized conversation about it and actually talk?
WeenerTuck813 Oct 7, 2023 @ 9:53am 
It’s GOTY. No doubt in my book.
And that’s pretty legendary due to the genre of the game, being a crpg
Originally posted by cantseeshit:
It would be a goty if it still wasn't riddled with so many odd bugs. It's a great game, but there are some issues that just shouldn't exist in a full release.

- Audio cutting out at a specific point in Act 2. Literally the audio cut offs entirely than mid sentence pops up again

-etc

Originally posted by Curfuffle:
I was really excited for BG3 but it doesnt feel like a DnD game really. I feel like im playing a lame console game sometimes. It's fun, i just wish it wasnt called Baldur's gate, cause its not that and it's not GOYT. If this is what GOYT is...idk. Even POEII is a lot better. i got both Pathfinder games, but have yet to try them, looking forward to that. Fifth edition rule set seems to really suck too. :(

And idk why so many people are praising the writing in this game. Theres barely anything to read, barely any backstory to anything. Characters arent interesting. just feels like a console/early teen kind of writing/game. So much wasted potential.

Originally posted by Seagal:
You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. You can't give this game GOTY when it has / had the issues it did when it released and still to this day. When it's all patched and it has a "Definitive Edition" or something perhaps, then maybe it'll end up being the best game of 2023, but you don't or at least shouldn't review based on potential.

To me, objectively speaking, I'd give a GOTY to either 'The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom' or 'Resident Evil 4 Remake' before BG3, and don't like BotW - TotK Zelda, and I really don't like RE4R either.

I like BG3 better than both of those games, but those two games were far more polished, and masterpieces within their respective genres.

Hell, if we're giving out GOTY based on what I personally had the most fun with, then I still think I'd give it to a game that came out back in January and that's 'Fire Emblem Engage'.


These are all examples of mature, adult, civilized responses that I greatly respect, even if I disagree.

Originally posted by Cpt.P1mp:
1- lol, point n clik
2-ok
3-also ok
4-lol, not even
5-voice yes, writing ♥♥♥♥.
5/10

This isn't.
SotiCoto Oct 7, 2023 @ 10:00am 
It boggles the mind that so many people are willing to simp for an obviously terrible game.

#1. It takes up far too much space due to wholly unnecessary assets, and the game STILL looks like arse in many places in spite of that. We don't need 4k textures for everything, and neither do we need a voiced narrator slowly telling us about everything we can see for ourselves. All for the sake of bloating the game size.

#2. The plot is the same steaming pile of sewage story that Cyberpunk 2077 used. An unwelcome invader inserted into your head that is killing you and taking over your body, and the game gives you red herrings so you can pretend you're doing something about it, but the "choice" is only ever an illusion as it always leads to the same end anyway. It is not only disgusting in concept, but simply an excuse to deny the player agency in what is a completely linear story.

#3. The Endings in particular are lazy. Insanely lazy. No matter what you change going into the ending sequence, or do differently, the dialogue is all ultra-generic and standardised so it will apply equally vaguely to all situations. Any outcomes that aren't the intended canon outcome will just be waved off with a single short scene at most, and the canon ending explicitly tells you what you should feel about it. The whole thing feels like it was put together in 5 minutes at most.

#4. Physical character creation options are a mess. We've got two basic bodies per gender, not available to all races / classes, and a handful of pre-built faces. Want to change the face shape? Too bad. Want to change the body proportions? Too bad. Want to not look like an NPC? Better apply a lot of tattoos / makeup, because your face is worn by quite a few other throwaway characters out there. And the equipment is badly managed as it requires separate files for different races even with the same basic proportions. Games that are over a decade old can handle this effortlessly while BG3's equipment file management is an utter mess.

#5. There are major pathing issues that can get the characters stuck, disappearing / reappearing poison smoke clouds, spazzing out skyboxes, and other glitches that persist, and some that even show up brand new while Larian are busy shaving and unshaving cats. Believe it or not, the bugs and glitches are the least of my concern, but they're still around whether people deny them or not.

#6. The inventory management is the worst in any game ever. The sorting is nigh unusable and doesn't do what it says it will. Objects are placed in seemingly random slots in containers and don't autostack. There are no autosort options. Container pop-ups open behind the inventory window and vanish if the character moves. In short, the entire inventory system is unmanageable and loads of time needs to be sunk into just compensating for that.

#7. The animated dice rolls may seem novel at first, but they become a major nuisance as the game progresses, since they happen near constantly and even when clicked through, many of them take far too long to process.

#8. There is no means of moving faster, and the movement speed is painfully slow. Also the "fast travel" points are so far apart that you're going to end up wasting a lot of time just trying to travel from A to B no matter what you do. Would it have hurt so much to let us hire horses or something? Y'know... like in normal D&D.

#9. The AI is so utterly stupid sometimes as to get the game stuck in an unplayable loop. As I've noted before, the game will force you into dialogue if you intrude in certain areas, and that includes when you're trying to leave, but your idiotic AI companions run back into the forbidden area so they can stand behind you. I've ended up trapped in endless loops now twice because of that, and the only way out was attacking... and then combat froze up.

#10. A brain-dead combination of inconsistent and infrequent autosaves and tons of easily screwed up and missable content is an utter nightmare. If you don't know the entire game in advance, you're likely to screw up a lot of situations, and even if you do, a lot will be screwed up anyway courtesy of the dice rolls... so if you're not manual-saving constantly, tons of time is wasted reloading previous saves. And contrary to the description, "Karmic Dice" just makes it worse, and is active by default.

#11. THERE IS NO PAUSE. Quicksave and Quickload is about the only reliable way to pseudopause the game.

#12. Late Addition: I've found it is necessary to continually switch between Controller and M&K to play this game. Generally controller for walking about or searching for something in the surroundings, and M&K for combat / precise jumping. Sometimes it is necessary to switch just to get the characters unstuck. But the two control schemes can't work simultaneously, and there is a significant pause when switching between the two. Plus alt-tabbing out and in usually turns it to M&K while it also switches back to controller if the controller disconnects (counterintuitively). Needless to say I'm very tired of jerking the game back and forth between the two control schemes just because neither one is properly functional on its own.

#13... Basically I've got tons of minor quibbles as well. Things like Larian taking massive liberties with Forgotten Realms lore, outright omitting the Githzerai besides two minor mentions, the inconsistency in how the camp / Long Rest system is handled, etc. Plus plenty of issues I have on the spot and can't always recall after the fact. Point is this is just the tip of the iceberg, but me complaining about every tiny issue I can find like a thousand needles isn't going to help matters.


.... Take note: I don't even begin to give a toss about all the romance controversy. This game has flaws enough without that even being a topic of discussion.

Anyway... this game is garbage. It isn't game of the year. It isn't even game of the week it was released. I haven't even played Starfield yet, but I'd be willing to bet it is better than this game through simple virtue of the fact that even watching paint dry is better than this game. And then there are Armored Core VI and Lies of P to consider.
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Date Posted: Oct 7, 2023 @ 6:18am
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