Don't understand Raph's deal. Questions for peeps that have finished BG3.

[Teasel]

So let me get this straight - in making the deal with Raphael gets you a hammer to free Orpheus. To what point? For the gith to go on some crusade against Vlaakith and why should I care? My MC doesn't owe the gith anything whatsoever, so this part of the story just falls flat for me.

Won't the Emperor get angry? Considering he is keeping everyone from turning into illithids? Shouldn't Lae'zel make this sacrifice considering she's a damn gith? I'm getting sick of my MC carrying her burdens.

[Яeplicant]

The premise of his deal is that he gets the crown, gets to be the King of sorts of the Nine Hells and eventually goes after the Realms itself.

[Orion Invictus]

I'm gonna assume you want spoilers...

The point is RP, essentially. Your character may not trust the Emperor and may prefer getting Orpheus' help. Or maybe they just don't think Orpheus should be unwillingly drained. Or they just don't want Orpheus to die by having an illithid suck his brain out.

As for the Emperor, it will get angry, yes, and join the Elder Brain.

Finally, I'm not sure what sacrifice you're referring to, since Raphael just asks you for the Crown of Carsus, he doesn't want anyone's soul.

[MewTressym]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Finally, I'm not sure what sacrifice you're referring to, since Raphael just asks you for the Crown of Carsus, he doesn't want anyone's soul.

To be fair it's not like you're even likely to have a soul by the end of the story for Raphael to take as far as Raphael would be able to see, much less even actually have an in tact soul to offer at the point at which he speaks to you initially.

Raphael probably knows that someone will have to sacrifice their soul, and he likely knows it's you that will. Since your soul is either damaged, corrupted, or completely destroyed by the end of the game, then it just makes sense for Raph to go after something else, frankly way more valuable than a single mortals soul to him, that being the Crown.

[JackJammer]

Then don't accept the contract.
I didn't have Lae'zel in my camp in my first run , my MC trusted the emperor and so i never tried to free Orpheus in any way. Was still fun and i had some new stuff for me to do in run #2

[Teasel]

Originally posted by MewTressym:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Finally, I'm not sure what sacrifice you're referring to, since Raphael just asks you for the Crown of Carsus, he doesn't want anyone's soul.

To be fair it's not like you're even likely to have a soul by the end of the story for Raphael to take as far as Raphael would be able to see, much less even actually have an in tact soul to offer at the point at which he speaks to you initially.

Raphael probably knows that someone will have to sacrifice their soul, and he likely knows it's you that will. Since your soul is either damaged, corrupted, or completely destroyed by the end of the game, then it just makes sense for Raph to go after something else, frankly way more valuable than a single mortals soul to him, that being the Crown.

At this point I want to give Raphael the damn crown and watch everything burn.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by subterranean:

Originally posted by MewTressym:

To be fair it's not like you're even likely to have a soul by the end of the story for Raphael to take as far as Raphael would be able to see, much less even actually have an in tact soul to offer at the point at which he speaks to you initially.

Raphael probably knows that someone will have to sacrifice their soul, and he likely knows it's you that will. Since your soul is either damaged, corrupted, or completely destroyed by the end of the game, then it just makes sense for Raph to go after something else, frankly way more valuable than a single mortals soul to him, that being the Crown.

At this point I want to give Raphael the damn crown and watch everything burn.

Then do it.

[Quacksalber]

I find it hard to rationalise freeing Orpheus other than to please Laezel, or feeling bad for the guy. The Githyanki are not exactly friendly besides what's his face, and he's only nice because he wants something. Anyway, you do not have to take the deal to get the hammer.

[Noctoculus]

Originally posted by EH!:

I find it hard to rationalise freeing Orpheus other than to please Laezel, or feeling bad for the guy. The Githyanki are not exactly friendly besides what's his face, and he's only nice because he wants something. Anyway, you do not have to take the deal to get the hammer.

That's part of the story that was written very poorly. The Githyanki are of course, very unsympathetic characters. The Githzerai however, are very sympathetic. Orpheus and his guard are clearly meant to be Githzerai, but for whatever reason this was never properly implemented or explained.

[Quacksalber]

Originally posted by Noctoculus:

Originally posted by EH!:

I find it hard to rationalise freeing Orpheus other than to please Laezel, or feeling bad for the guy. The Githyanki are not exactly friendly besides what's his face, and he's only nice because he wants something. Anyway, you do not have to take the deal to get the hammer.

That's part of the story that was written very poorly. The Githyanki are of course, very unsympathetic characters. The Githzerai however, are very sympathetic. Orpheus and his guard are clearly meant to be Githzerai, but for whatever reason this was never properly implemented or explained.

I did not know that, but the guards try to kill us, even if we go against the emperor in that one fight where they invade camp, so there's not much motivation to trust them at all on the part of the player.

[Noctoculus]

Originally posted by EH!:

Originally posted by Noctoculus:

That's part of the story that was written very poorly. The Githyanki are of course, very unsympathetic characters. The Githzerai however, are very sympathetic. Orpheus and his guard are clearly meant to be Githzerai, but for whatever reason this was never properly implemented or explained.

I did not know that, but the guards try to kill us, even if we go against the emperor in that one fight where they invade camp, so there's not much motivation to trust them at all on the part of the player.

You're right. I didn't want to free him either because it seemed like all gith we hell-bent on killing anyone with a tadpole. It was only at the last minute when the Emperor says he needs to eat the guy's brain instead of asking for his help. It made zero sense to me so I turned against him.

[Quacksalber]

Originally posted by Noctoculus:

Originally posted by EH!:

I did not know that, but the guards try to kill us, even if we go against the emperor in that one fight where they invade camp, so there's not much motivation to trust them at all on the part of the player.

You're right. I didn't want to free him either because it seemed like all gith we hell-bent on killing anyone with a tadpole. It was only at the last minute when the Emperor says he needs to eat the guy's brain instead of asking for his help. It made zero sense to me so I turned against him.

It's a brutal thing to do, but the way I understood it was it was the only way he could remain independent of the Absolute or any other elder brain, since it was Orpheus doing it, not him.

[Argonaut]

Originally posted by subterranean:

Originally posted by MewTressym:

To be fair it's not like you're even likely to have a soul by the end of the story for Raphael to take as far as Raphael would be able to see, much less even actually have an in tact soul to offer at the point at which he speaks to you initially.

Raphael probably knows that someone will have to sacrifice their soul, and he likely knows it's you that will. Since your soul is either damaged, corrupted, or completely destroyed by the end of the game, then it just makes sense for Raph to go after something else, frankly way more valuable than a single mortals soul to him, that being the Crown.

At this point I want to give Raphael the damn crown and watch everything burn.

You'll give him the crown and an Archfiend like Zariel will just delete him and take it for himself kek. Raph's just a cambion.

[Quacksalber]

Originally posted by Argonaut:

Originally posted by subterranean:

At this point I want to give Raphael the damn crown and watch everything burn.

You'll give him the crown and an Archfiend like Zariel will just delete him and take it for himself kek. Raph's just a cambion.

Isn't the crown meant to turn you into a god?

[The1Kobra]

It is the crown that Karsus used to try and perform Karsus' folly, yes.

Raphael does try to warn you about how manipulative the Emperor is when he's talking about the deal, and how freeing Orpheus is your only hope of being free from the Emperor's control. That's ultimately what he's offering for the crown.
Ironically, Raphael, despite being highly manipulative himself, is right about the Emperor just viewing you as a beast of burden. If the Emperor dominates the elder brain instead of killing it, the Emperor soon turns you and the party into thralls in the epilogue so they can rule instead. Raphael probably figured this was the Emperor's planned endgame.

[Amix]

Originally posted by MewTressym:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Finally, I'm not sure what sacrifice you're referring to, since Raphael just asks you for the Crown of Carsus, he doesn't want anyone's soul.

To be fair it's not like you're even likely to have a soul by the end of the story for Raphael to take as far as Raphael would be able to see, much less even actually have an in tact soul to offer at the point at which he speaks to you initially.

Raphael probably knows that someone will have to sacrifice their soul, and he likely knows it's you that will. Since your soul is either damaged, corrupted, or completely destroyed by the end of the game, then it just makes sense for Raph to go after something else, frankly way more valuable than a single mortals soul to him, that being the Crown.

Wrong assumption because the crown is more powerful than a single soul. This tadpole is different due to netherese magic & game tells you this many times. So yes, the soul is intact. Only after becoming mind flayer soul will be gone.
Things work different as for now in game. Even when character had undergone partial ceremorphosis they will be reverted to original form once you defeat elder brain.