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Gortash does become an Avatar of Bane during his fight. Its just very lame in comparison to Mrykul.
Orin does, in a sense, become "a" Avatar of Bhaal. The Slayer. Though if I had to compare the quality of the fights...
Mrykul Fight > Slayer Fight > Bane Fight.
He absolutely has that final boss energy
It sure does feel like it. I thought I was about to beat the game when I fought him.
If you need diegetic reasons that Bhaal and Bane wouldn't break out their avatars, there are plenty; Forgotten Realms has a ludicrous amount of gods who will generally notice and might react if any one god does something like that, for instance.
While we're on the subject, Gortash is a hilariously disappointing character. I get the whole he's wielding political power against us thing... but that's not Bane's style at all. Bane is what they based Conquest Paladin on for the 5e splatbooks. These guys are supposed to have "Douse the flame of hope". literally SEARED ONTO THEIR FOREARM.
Compared to the disgusting blood revelry of Orrin and Thorme's sheer captivating presence(Simmons is a fantastic actor), Gortash just falls flat. It almost feels like you're mercy killing him.
Playing as an Evil Dark Urge and getting the Slayer form myself it was especially a joke fighting Orin. I was hoping that after killing her was so easy that if I decided to defy Bhaal he would be pissed and fight me directly making for an actually epic battle since he's your father after all. But all I got was Withers resurrecting me and Bhaal having nothing to say about it, it was just to easy to break free of Bhaal.
Gortash seems more an artificer who relies on tricks, traps, and what he creates to get ahead. So him becoming a giant monster doesn't fit thematically. He does have plenty of gadgets around his room which he'll use if you don't take him down quickly enough. (Which most players probably do).
That said, the Dead Three in this narratively have to be careful of how directly they get involved. In FR lore, the gods generally can't get involved directly by divine laws, or their avatars. Them abusing this is how the time of troubles started and how Bhaal ended up dead in the first place. And breaking those laws leaves it open for others to make their own moves.
Bane, being Lawful Evil aligned, is also more strongly pulled to adhere to those laws, it's part of their being. That's probably why of the three, Bane gets directly involved the least. Bhaal and Myrkul are both Neutral Evil, so there's less there forcing them to obey the laws of the gods. This is probably why Bane's blessing of Gortash is less impressive than that of the others who are involved.
But even what intervention they did got the attention of the other gods. Jergal gets directly involved too to counteract their schemes. And it's implied that the other gods were moving their pieces, even if for tangentially related things. Mystra for example, has a plan to have Gale end the Dead Three's scheme more or less directly, and is allowed to intervene because of the Karsite Weave infringing on her domains, necessitating her getting involved.
I think everyone would agree that is the same as losing the game.
It's just an early "secret" ending. Some games have those. I don't recall the name, but there was one game where you faced the final boss at the start and you could actually beat him right there and then, winning the game. It was difficult, of course, but it could be done, and the game was praised for it. It's not the only game where you can do that either, but it's the only one I recall with any level of detail.