female characters

[Amandila]

fellas, I have seen a few guys complaning about the female characters strenght and etc... I don't really care about ideology and real life stuff, but hey:

if we are willing to turn the real world off to play with a million races, have sex with tentacle-faced species, and do every random fantasy stuff this game offer us without batting an eye; we should be able to see female characters with any strength and say "ok sure" without freaking out with conspiracy theories about political agendas and whatnot.

my humble opinion: if a strong female presence in a FANTASY game offends someone, maybe the problem is the player and not the game.

enjoy life a bit more, gender issues aren't really issues if you just say oh hey nice character, she's strong af and hey nice character he's strong af and forget about gender fueled drama.

the real agenda is social media and news outlets wanting us to constantly feel angry about the-latest-drama so we react and give them views/money. don't bring that here


edit: the user SotiCoto made a point in one of the comments that I'd like to mention:
My reasoning wasn't "fantasy therefore all complaints are invalid", it was "we are willing to accept anything but strong female characters in a fantasy game". Maybe I didn't express myself correctly (grammar structure in a different language can play tricks when we try to communicate this type of ideas)

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Amandila:

the real agenda is social media and news outlets wanting us to constantly feel angry about the-latest-drama so we react and give them views/money. don't bring that here

Too true.

[DontMisunderstand]

To be honest I think it's telling that they take more issue with women being strong than orcs being smart.

[id795078477]

OP, the issue is that the "it's fantasy so it's ok" is only conveniently brought to the topic whenever it aligns with the desired narrative. The moment someone points out some things that don't align - it's immediately brought to them that "but in real life <...>" and the whole political train starts.

So which is it? Is it fantasy? Or is it real life? It's a rhetorical question as I don't expect an honest answer here.

P.S. We have STRONG female presence pushed everywhere - in academia, in workspace, in politics, in leadership and it seems - now in video-games too. It's hard to blame those folks who want a safe heaven from the politics of the day in a video game only to find out it's waiting for them there all the same.

And no - I'm not talking out of some "statistics" or what have you tell me is "made up". As someone responsible for hiring for a large department I literally get gender quotas to fill, regardless of qualification. Each deviation from that quota because I want to hire a qualified person instead of a correct gender person creates friction oftentimes going up to 3-4 levels above me. I know what I'm talking about and I kind of don't want to see it pushed onto me in games too.

Oh, and I forgot to mention - once our company got big enough, it was legally required to have a female board member. So some person just rolled into a top job without doing what other three guys did - building it from scratch through thick and thin, sacrificing the huge part of their lives to it, working 70-80 hours a week for years. Nope - why do that when you have a legally protected quota?

[robilar5500]

Originally posted by Amandila:

fellas, I have seen a few guys complaning about the female characters strenght and etc... I don't really care about ideology and real life stuff, but hey:

if we are willing to turn the real world off to play with a million races, have sex with tentacle-faced species, and do every random fantasy stuff this game offer us without batting an eye; we should be able to see female characters with any strength and say "ok sure" without freaking out with conspiracy theories about political agendas and whatnot.

my humble opinion: if a strong female presence in a FANTASY game offends someone, maybe the problem is the player and not the game.

enjoy life a bit more, gender issues aren't really issues if you just say oh hey nice character, she's strong af and hey nice character he's strong af and forget about gender fueled drama.

the real agenda is social media and news outlets wanting us to constantly feel angry about the-latest-drama so we react and give them views/money. don't bring that here

This is correct.

[Kernest]

Originally posted by Amandila:

my humble opinion: if a strong female presence in a FANTASY game offends someone, maybe the problem is the player and not the game.

Truth.

But try and tell that to some of these trolls. They're the same kinda people who complained about the concept of "safe spaces" when that was trendy a few years ago.

But here we are and they're crying and demanding everything fit their narrow world view so that they don't feel threatened.

[kevin]

if anything people conspire to have you not want to have procreate with an attractive woman of your own race

[Jadedragon]

Originally posted by Amandila:

fellas, I have seen a few guys complaning about the female characters strenght and etc... I don't really care about ideology and real life stuff, but hey:

if we are willing to turn the real world off to play with a million races, have sex with tentacle-faced species, and do every random fantasy stuff this game offer us without batting an eye; we should be able to see female characters with any strength and say "ok sure" without freaking out with conspiracy theories about political agendas and whatnot.

my humble opinion: if a strong female presence in a FANTASY game offends someone, maybe the problem is the player and not the game.

enjoy life a bit more, gender issues aren't really issues if you just say oh hey nice character, she's strong af and hey nice character he's strong af and forget about gender fueled drama.

the real agenda is social media and news outlets wanting us to constantly feel angry about the-latest-drama so we react and give them views/money. don't bring that here

If anyone would be as down to earth as you, thank you sir!

[Jadedragon]

Originally posted by Kernest:

Originally posted by Amandila:

my humble opinion: if a strong female presence in a FANTASY game offends someone, maybe the problem is the player and not the game.

Truth.

But try and tell that to some of these trolls. They're the same kinda people who complained about the concept of "safe spaces" when that was trendy a few years ago.

But here we are and they're crying and demanding everything fit their narrow world view so that they don't feel threatened.

nothing is going to change for them though, the game is as the game is, Larian wont remove content just because some snowflakes have hurt their feelings.

[Jadedragon]

Originally posted by kevin:

if anything people conspire to have you not want to have procreate with an attractive woman of your own race

wat? can you elaborate? or use maybe. Y,know... punctuation marks?

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by Amandila:

female characters
fellas, I have seen a few guys complaning about the female characters strenght and etc... I don't really care about ideology and real life stuff, but hey:

if we are willing to turn the real world off to play with a million races, have sex with tentacle-faced species, and do every random fantasy stuff this game offer us without batting an eye; we should be able to see female characters with any strength and say "ok sure" without freaking out with conspiracy theories about political agendas and whatnot.

my humble opinion: if a strong female presence in a FANTASY game offends someone, maybe the problem is the player and not the game.

enjoy life a bit more, gender issues aren't really issues if you just say oh hey nice character, she's strong af and hey nice character he's strong af and forget about gender fueled drama.

the real agenda is social media and news outlets wanting us to constantly feel angry about the-latest-drama so we react and give them views/money. don't bring that here

Why do you feel you needed to state the obvious?

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Originally posted by Jadedragon:

Originally posted by Amandila:

fellas, I have seen a few guys complaning about the female characters strenght and etc... I don't really care about ideology and real life stuff, but hey:

if we are willing to turn the real world off to play with a million races, have sex with tentacle-faced species, and do every random fantasy stuff this game offer us without batting an eye; we should be able to see female characters with any strength and say "ok sure" without freaking out with conspiracy theories about political agendas and whatnot.

my humble opinion: if a strong female presence in a FANTASY game offends someone, maybe the problem is the player and not the game.

enjoy life a bit more, gender issues aren't really issues if you just say oh hey nice character, she's strong af and hey nice character he's strong af and forget about gender fueled drama.

the real agenda is social media and news outlets wanting us to constantly feel angry about the-latest-drama so we react and give them views/money. don't bring that here

If anyone would be as down to earth as you, thank you sir!

I mean let's be real it's probably you patting yourself on the back here. Your posts and when you choose to post is as easy to predict as a clock being right twice a day.

id795etc has the best answer.

[Shirorin]

Originally posted by Amandila:

fellas, I have seen a few guys complaning about the female characters strenght and etc... I don't really care about ideology and real life stuff, but hey:

if we are willing to turn the real world off to play with a million races, have sex with tentacle-faced species, and do every random fantasy stuff this game offer us without batting an eye; we should be able to see female characters with any strength and say "ok sure" without freaking out with conspiracy theories about political agendas and whatnot.

my humble opinion: if a strong female presence in a FANTASY game offends someone, maybe the problem is the player and not the game.

enjoy life a bit more, gender issues aren't really issues if you just say oh hey nice character, she's strong af and hey nice character he's strong af and forget about gender fueled drama.

the real agenda is social media and news outlets wanting us to constantly feel angry about the-latest-drama so we react and give them views/money. don't bring that here

THIS! the amount of fragile males in the forums btching about it and calling the game woke like omg!

[dnelson135]

I dont see the point of this post beyond #feelings.

[Amandila]

Originally posted by id795078477:

OP, the issue is that the "it's fantasy so it's ok" is only conveniently brought to the topic whenever it aligns with the desired narrative. The moment someone points out some things that don't align - it's immediately brought to them that "but in real life <...>" and the whole political train starts.

So which is it? Is it fantasy? Or is it real life? It's a rhetorical question as I don't expect an honest answer here.

P.S. We have STRONG female presence pushed everywhere - in academia, in workspace, in politics, in leadership and it seems - now in video-games too. It's hard to blame those folks who want a safe heaven from the politics of the day in a video game only to find out it's waiting for them there all the same.

And no - I'm not talking out of some "statistics" or what have you tell me is "made up". As someone responsible for hiring for a large department I literally get gender quotas to fill, regardless of qualification. Each deviation from that quota because I want to hire a qualified person instead of a correct gender person creates friction oftentimes going up to 3-4 levels above me. I know what I'm talking about and I kind of don't want to see it pushed onto me in games too.

I understand the points you make, and it's true: when something alligns with a desired narrative, we all tend to agree with it and find justifications. The thing is that the narrative here is simply "hey we added strong females because now females are part of everything and we also have a bigger female player base". I won't go into a full analysis of this paragraph you wrote:

"P.S. We have STRONG female presence pushed everywhere - in academia, in workspace, in politics, in leadership and it seems - now in video-games too. It's hard to blame those folks who want a safe heaven from the politics of the day in a video game only to find out it's waiting for them there all the same."

but it's worth mentioning that the female presence isn't simply "pushed", it's something that has been happening because actual female presence is stronger that it was before. It's only natural that, when met with strong opposition, those who want to be part of something fight for their place. The way it's being done may not be the best possible way, but it clearly is the best way people found so far. Would I do it differently? absolutely.
Since each country has their own reality, and what's right for a European country may be bad for the US, it's hard to find an unified way to address the same issues.

The quotas situation you mentioned it's a problematic one. Quotas are necessary but are being wrongly implemented. We can agree on that. The thing is:

can we accept females as part of a game? can we be chill when they aren't simply sexy decoration? can we say oh this is a strong character and forget their gender?

or do we always need to fight for females to be portrayed as the weaker gender?
or as sexy companions?

with this conversation we aren't going to solve the real-world wrong doings you and I can discuss.... still, am I being unreasonable when I ask "if we are willing to accept any weird thing in this game, why aren't willing to accept strong female characters?"

maybe this discussion doesn't need to be extremely deep, and doesn't need to contemplate all the gender issues we are facing in the real world. Maybe it can be as simple as asking ourselves "is this a fight worth having when we are talking about a fantasy game and no real harm is being done? no hate speech, no abuse, no cruelty. nothing where we need to freak out about a religion or culture or race being portrayed as evil or corrupt."?

I agree we need to fight the good fight when we see something outrageous or offensive, harmful, dangerous, violent, abusive. Is this the case?

[Shirorin]

Originally posted by id795078477:

OP, the issue is that the "it's fantasy so it's ok" is only conveniently brought to the topic whenever it aligns with the desired narrative. The moment someone points out some things that don't align - it's immediately brought to them that "but in real life <...>" and the whole political train starts.

So which is it? Is it fantasy? Or is it real life? It's a rhetorical question as I don't expect an honest answer here.

P.S. We have STRONG female presence pushed everywhere - in academia, in workspace, in politics, in leadership and it seems - now in video-games too. It's hard to blame those folks who want a safe heaven from the politics of the day in a video game only to find out it's waiting for them there all the same.

And no - I'm not talking out of some "statistics" or what have you tell me is "made up". As someone responsible for hiring for a large department I literally get gender quotas to fill, regardless of qualification. Each deviation from that quota because I want to hire a qualified person instead of a correct gender person creates friction oftentimes going up to 3-4 levels above me. I know what I'm talking about and I kind of don't want to see it pushed onto me in games too.

Oh, and I forgot to mention - once our company got big enough, it was legally required to have a female board member. So some person just rolled into a top job without doing what other three guys did - building it from scratch through thick and thin, sacrificing the huge part of their lives to it, working 70-80 hours a week for years. Nope - why do that when you have a legally protected quota?

does it really bug you that women are actually getting somewhere in the society and getting heard?