They did Viconia dirty.

[Zorbas]

While I understand that not everyone's playthoughs of baldur's gate 1 & 2 can simultaneusly respected, it was a poor choice to rewrite (or rather reboot) Viconia's character. Given as she was the best girl (even if tsundere and having killed 4 husbands before) in those games, many players will have spent countless hours teaching her compassion and ways of the surface dwellers. The writers have thus dropped the ball having her make shadowheart repeat her own childhood trauma, which we already therapied 100 years ago. Writing characters backwards is never pleasing to the reader, even if it does happen in real life.

To top it off, my character's oath did not allow any other option but to kill her, the lover of my previous character. This diminished my enjoyment of the game for several hours.

[jayman760]

But she drops a legendary shield. All is forgiven.

[Acronen]

Viconia is my favorite character from the BG series.

I think they did fine with Jaheira and Minsc. I actually really like Jaheira in BG3. (I've never really cared for Minsc, so I was never really in danger of being disappointed by him in this game, other than his really late addition to the party.)

I'm with you though in that I really hate the direction they went with Viconia. Really, really hate it.

[Tingly]

Viconia's existence in BG3 is a spoiler dog.

Regardless, if they wanted to include her in this game there was exactly one epilogue available where she doesn't die. she was assassinated if you romanced her. if you really loved her you would remember that

[Rabbit]

It's been a long time, do you think people just get 'cured' and become angels forever?

[Callirgos]

Not good. Viconia was the OG... Did they give her the "Last Jedi" treatment?

[Runic Tunic]

Don't blame the writers, blame WoTC. From what I understand, WoTC basically changed her and other things in Minsc's and Boo's Journal of Villainy and made it cannon.

She's this way because WoTC didn't want her redeemed.

[Dragon Master]

If Wizards of the Coast had anything to say about it, then the canon events of BG1 and 2 will be based off the books, where the bhaalspawn was a lawful good fighter who's party was Imoen, Jaheira, Minsc, Dynaheir and Khallid in BG1.

Viconia wouldn't have been a part of the party and thus her character arc would not have happened as it did in the games without the bhaalspawn so what we're seeing is who she was as a worshiper of Shar without being a companion.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Runic Tunic:

Don't blame the writers, blame WoTC. From what I understand, WoTC basically changed her and other things in Minsc's and Boo's Journal of Villainy and made it cannon.

Yup, they've changed a lot of the lore simply because there are people working there who want to virtue signal.

[Runic Tunic]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by Runic Tunic:

Don't blame the writers, blame WoTC. From what I understand, WoTC basically changed her and other things in Minsc's and Boo's Journal of Villainy and made it cannon.

Yup, they've changed a lot of the lore simply because there are people working there who want to virtue signal.

Idk what this specifically has to do with virtue signaling. I just call it what it is: bad writing. They didn't want Viconia to be written as a redeemed character.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Runic Tunic:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Yup, they've changed a lot of the lore simply because there are people working there who want to virtue signal.

Idk what this specifically has to do with virtue signaling. I just call it what it is: bad writing. They didn't want Viconia to be written as a redeemed character.

Oh, I'm sure this specifically isn't virtue signaling and is bad writing. I'm just saying virtue signaling was a big part of a lot of the lore changes.

There's a combination of bad writing, activism and new people working there who don't know the lore all working together, I feel.

[Runic Tunic]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by Runic Tunic:

Idk what this specifically has to do with virtue signaling. I just call it what it is: bad writing. They didn't want Viconia to be written as a redeemed character.

Oh, I'm sure this specifically isn't virtue signaling and is bad writing. I'm just saying virtue signaling was a big part of a lot of the lore changes.

There's a combination of bad writing, activism and new people working there who don't know the lore all working together, I feel.

Ah ok. I see what you're saying now.

[Xanshi]

I wish she was evil route companion in Act 3.

[Athaz]

I also think Viconia deserved better but that’s the thing with beloved characters from CRPGs. They belong to everybody who played the games so there are that many fates.

To be fair, the WotC book that sealed their official fates was written by James Ohlen, a Bioware lead designer whose decade long D&D campaigns spawned the majority of characters for the first two Baldur’s Gate games.

[Nevron]

The past characters should have stayed exactly there - in the past. Too often the creators can't let go of their original creations and never move on from them. Constantly bringing them back again and again just dilutes whatever story they may have had and takes away any permanent outcome (good or bad) that may befall them. If you know they are going to keep coming back, it gets to be pointless to keep getting invested in them all over again.

[Zulaika]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

If Wizards of the Coast had anything to say about it, then the canon events of BG1 and 2 will be based off the books, where the bhaalspawn was a lawful good fighter who's party was Imoen, Jaheira, Minsc, Dynaheir and Khallid in BG1.

Viconia wouldn't have been a part of the party and thus her character arc would not have happened as it did in the games without the bhaalspawn so what we're seeing is who she was as a worshiper of Shar without being a companion.

Not even, because her main issue with Lloth before the PC was in the picture was refusing to kill a kid after 100+ years of serving her, but we're supposed to believe her main job with Shar was happily abusing a kid?