Following Ketheric without Will (spoilers Act 2)

[Jeronimosss]

Soo, somehow I decided to follow Ketheric without Will in the party.
I know there are 2 quests related to Will, but I was like... prolly his dad is not even here, he wasn't in the prison, so maybe they moved him to some other place entirely, also the Mizora quest - I did not expect it to be her, did not expect this to be the time and place she'll release Will...

So I guess I effed up. Question: is it OK to go on with Ketheric fight? Or Will gets all sensitive about it and his questline is broken? Should I replay this whole area? :c

OK, for anyone in the same situation:

- if you don't have Will in your party, then you miss Infernal Rapier (a special reward weapon from Mizora)
- if you go without Gale, you miss an achievement for the 1st ending, also maybe some journal entries

[retsam1]

The Duke is seen in the ketheric cutscene prior to the fight. Rescue of the Duke proper isnt an option really until Act 3 and the challenge surrounding it is an interesting timed one.

[Dragnier]

If you mean the mindflayer colony at the end of act 2, you are not breaking the game if you don't take Wyll with you.
If you are interested, the best characters you can take story-wise are Wyll (because his father is there), Karlach (Because Gortash is there), and Gale (Because of the Netherbrain). Still the game will proceed and it is not broken if you don't take them

[Jeronimosss]

Originally posted by retsam1:

The Duke is seen in the ketheric cutscene prior to the fight. Rescue of the Duke proper isnt an option really until Act 3 and the challenge surrounding it is an interesting timed one.

Ah, ok, so we don't actually save the Duke now, phew.
And regarding Mizora? Does not having Will in the party affect smth?

[Jeronimosss]

Originally posted by Dragnier:

If you mean the mindflayer colony at the end of act 2, you are not breaking the game if you don't take Wyll with you.
If you are interested, the best characters you can take story-wise are Wyll (because his father is there), Karlach (Because Gortash is there), and Gale (Because of the Netherbrain). Still the game will proceed and it is not broken if you don't take them [/quote]

Thank you! I didn't take Will in favour of Jaheira, because I expected that it will be personal for her to see Ketheric dead, but she's pretty silent so far. Regarding Gale... do you mean it could be time and place for him to try and sacrifice himself?

[retsam1]

Originally posted by Jeronimosss:

Originally posted by retsam1:

The Duke is seen in the ketheric cutscene prior to the fight. Rescue of the Duke proper isnt an option really until Act 3 and the challenge surrounding it is an interesting timed one.

Ah, ok, so we don't actually save the Duke now, phew.
And regarding Mizora? Does not having Will in the party affect smth?

So when you do the shar stuff and then do the -first- fight with ketheric at the top of the tower, you'll then jump down from the top of the tower into a mind flayer colony zone(red zone) under the tower(not to be confused with the cave segment of the colony down below the dungeon... the two sections do not connect and you can only access the proper flayer colony subzone from the top of moonrise tower after ketheric's first confrontation fight).

Once down there, then you have the get mizora out of the pod option. If you dont get her out... its not good for wyll. Getting her out though will then have a progression of mizora stuff in act 3. Wyll doesnt have to be in the party but there may be cutscenes and her being in the elfsong tavern's "camp" for players that may have it requestyou put him in the party to talk with her or just auto does it(cant remember the sequence on that my first run through).


Bigger spoilers:

BUT if you DO opt to rescue the Duke, and you made other certain choices that freed Wyll from his contract and you didnt sign a new one, if you go into the challenge subzone to rescue the duke, she'll in retribution spawn a group of spiderlings right when you get the duke out of his cell that'll explode and potentially kill the duke if you dont prepare properly(its a hectic rescue challenge because when you enter the subzone you have a very very limited number of turns to get him out of his cell and back to the submarine or you fail. So if you end up having the spiderlings spawn, best know where they'll spawn (right outside his cell) and place lots of health potions on the ground around him. The explosions will auto heal him in splashes and keep him from dying if placed properly.

Also the number of turns you have for the rescue depends on the difficulty setting you choose too with a higher dif meaning less. So movement boosts, arrows of displacement, gate/misty step and other movement things are vital to helping get the duke out.... BUT also you may be wanting to get the gnomes imprisoned there out too which is a side quest part for good player runs and helping make the foundry later in act 3 go easier(dont attack the foundry first in other words).

[Jeronimosss]

Originally posted by retsam1:

Once down there, then you have the get mizora out of the pod option. If you dont get her out... its not good for wyll. Getting her out though will then have a progression of mizora stuff in act 3. Wyll doesnt have to be in the party but there may be cutscenes and her being in the elfsong tavern's "camp" for players that may have it requestyou put him in the party to talk with her or just auto does it(cant remember the sequence on that my first run through).

Yes, I already saved Mizora, that's the point - I discovered it was her (not some devil she said it would be) and was like "shesh, I should have taken Will along". OK, so they will have a converstion later anyway. Good to know, thanks!

[Dragnier]

Originally posted by Jeronimosss:

Originally posted by Dragnier:

If you mean the mindflayer colony at the end of act 2, you are not breaking the game if you don't take Wyll with you.
If you are interested, the best characters you can take story-wise are Wyll (because his father is there), Karlach (Because Gortash is there), and Gale (Because of the Netherbrain). Still the game will proceed and it is not broken if you don't take them [/quote]

Thank you! I didn't take Will in favour of Jaheira, because I expected that it will be personal for her to see Ketheric dead, but she's pretty silent so far. Regarding Gale... do you mean it could be time and place for him to try and sacrifice himself? [/quote]

Jaheira and Shadowheart have little dialogue, much less than the other 3, but more than Lae'zel or Astarion. Still you are free to take anyone you want, but you can get the most out of the story dialogues if you take the other 3.
Gale's plot at this stage consists of sacrificing himself to destroy the Netherbrain, so naturally this will be the time to have this discussion with him. The game can actually end here if you let him sacrifice himself thus killing everyone (Netherbrain included) in the blast. Still it would be best to explore other options with him and this will move his quest forward for Act 3)

[retsam1]

Originally posted by Jeronimosss:

Originally posted by retsam1:

Once down there, then you have the get mizora out of the pod option. If you dont get her out... its not good for wyll. Getting her out though will then have a progression of mizora stuff in act 3. Wyll doesnt have to be in the party but there may be cutscenes and her being in the elfsong tavern's "camp" for players that may have it requestyou put him in the party to talk with her or just auto does it(cant remember the sequence on that my first run through).

Yes, I already saved Mizora, that's the point - I discovered it was her (not some devil she said it would be) and was like "shesh, I should have taken Will along". OK, so they will have a converstion later anyway. Good to know, thanks!

Yes, if you got wyll out of his contract, she'll try to make him reup his contract to tell you where the duke is being held though you can find out other wise. That's part of what I added just now to my other post in regards to what happens if you dont reup his contract.

Also if you dont reup it and karlach is still part of your camp and you dont opt to make her a sacrifice in the end game choices, she and wyll will have specific differences in end game scenes.

[Jeronimosss]

thank you for the help, guys!