Can you kill Dror and Gut and still recruit and romance Minthara?

[Lordevan]

Is it possible to kill Dror and Gut while Minthara is out raiding the druid grove, then still help Minthara destroy the Grove and recuit her as companion?

[Adam__86]

You can kill them and make it look like something else

[Adam__86]

Especially Gut

[Kernest]

AFAIK yes, you can.

But all you're really getting out of it is a little XP and whatever loot they have.

[Zu]

In a "normal" setup, you can kill gut (And technicaly minthara, but that's not what you want) without the whole camp going aggro. But alas Ragzlin's death will ALWAYS turn the entire place hostile.
But your use case aint exactly the average one... you wanna do it during the raid, which makes me insanely curious how it'd go. Pls report back if you test.

[Immanis]

Hey, I found this old ass question and I'm going to answer it for everyone :

In my current Honor run, we felt like being Evil characters, and thus side with Minthara.
However, being good murder hobboes, we also wanted to kill as much gobboes as possible (and keep Sazza alive in a hold person then flee)

While Gut is very easy to do, attacking Ragzlin trigger the whole camp to turn "Temporarily Hostile".

What we did, was basically cleaning the whole CH1 first, and then trigger Minthara's raid on the grove. At this point, you HAVE to do a long rest so the event trigger and Zevlor goes up the grove's wall and minthara reunite her warband in front of the gate. YOU DO NOT DO YOUR LONG REST WHEN MINTHARA LEAVE THE GOBLIN CASTLE FOR THE GROVE RAID AND GO KILL RAGZLIN AND EVERY UNHOLY GOBBOES IN THE AREA.

When they are all dead, you go to sleep, talk to zevlor, betray him, et voila, kill everyone, sleep with minthara, go to CH2.

[CATGIRL]

You can always do the sheepthara method (likely not in honor mode because it's very finnicky)

1. Knock minthara out <-- not kill before you agro anyone so she's only temporarily hostile
2. Kill all the goblins
3. Have party with druids and go to act 2
4. Get to level 7
5. Go back to Minthara. if she was temp hostile when she got knocked out, she'll be standing there broken
6. Polymorph + Dominate beast + Fast travel to moonrise tower
7. Dimension door / improvised melee weapon her to the chapel
8. Break her out of the prison

You won't be able to romance her in the act 1 romance but you can romance her in act 3+

[Wokelander]

Originally posted by Immanis:

Hey, I found this old ass question and I'm going to answer it for everyone :

In my current Honor run, we felt like being Evil characters, and thus side with Minthara.
However, being good murder hobboes, we also wanted to kill as much gobboes as possible (and keep Sazza alive in a hold person then flee)

While Gut is very easy to do, attacking Ragzlin trigger the whole camp to turn "Temporarily Hostile".

What we did, was basically cleaning the whole CH1 first, and then trigger Minthara's raid on the grove. At this point, you HAVE to do a long rest so the event trigger and Zevlor goes up the grove's wall and minthara reunite her warband in front of the gate. YOU DO NOT DO YOUR LONG REST WHEN MINTHARA LEAVE THE GOBLIN CASTLE FOR THE GROVE RAID AND GO KILL RAGZLIN AND EVERY UNHOLY GOBBOES IN THE AREA.

When they are all dead, you go to sleep, talk to zevlor, betray him, et voila, kill everyone, sleep with minthara, go to CH2.

That's some big-brained murder-hoboing, I love it

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by CATGIRL:

You can always do the sheepthara method (likely not in honor mode because it's very finnicky)

1. Knock minthara out <-- not kill before you agro anyone so she's only temporarily hostile
2. Kill all the goblins
3. Have party with druids and go to act 2
4. Get to level 7
5. Go back to Minthara. if she was temp hostile when she got knocked out, she'll be standing there broken
6. Polymorph + Dominate beast + Fast travel to moonrise tower
7. Dimension door / improvised melee weapon her to the chapel
8. Break her out of the prison

You won't be able to romance her in the act 1 romance but you can romance her in act 3+

That information is outdated and as far as I recall patched.
A new method officially added is available:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3110543554

[northernwater]

Turns out if you knock her unconscious and she is yellow(temp hostile during the fight) and don't kill the other Goblin leaders and long rest she shows up at the grove stark naked with a big group of Goblins. LOL

The fight is easy but unfortunately she dies.

[amanm13]

Originally posted by Immanis:

Hey, I found this old ass question and I'm going to answer it for everyone :

In my current Honor run, we felt like being Evil characters, and thus side with Minthara.
However, being good murder hobboes, we also wanted to kill as much gobboes as possible (and keep Sazza alive in a hold person then flee)

While Gut is very easy to do, attacking Ragzlin trigger the whole camp to turn "Temporarily Hostile".

What we did, was basically cleaning the whole CH1 first, and then trigger Minthara's raid on the grove. At this point, you HAVE to do a long rest so the event trigger and Zevlor goes up the grove's wall and minthara reunite her warband in front of the gate. YOU DO NOT DO YOUR LONG REST WHEN MINTHARA LEAVE THE GOBLIN CASTLE FOR THE GROVE RAID AND GO KILL RAGZLIN AND EVERY UNHOLY GOBBOES IN THE AREA.

When they are all dead, you go to sleep, talk to zevlor, betray him, et voila, kill everyone, sleep with minthara, go to CH2.

can i kiss u? thanks bruddah u n ur compadres did a great deed for murder enthusiasts with… dark urges…. everywhere ;)

[Lord Farquad]

Originally posted by amanm13:

Originally posted by Immanis:

Hey, I found this old ass question and I'm going to answer it for everyone :

In my current Honor run, we felt like being Evil characters, and thus side with Minthara.
However, being good murder hobboes, we also wanted to kill as much gobboes as possible (and keep Sazza alive in a hold person then flee)

While Gut is very easy to do, attacking Ragzlin trigger the whole camp to turn "Temporarily Hostile".

What we did, was basically cleaning the whole CH1 first, and then trigger Minthara's raid on the grove. At this point, you HAVE to do a long rest so the event trigger and Zevlor goes up the grove's wall and minthara reunite her warband in front of the gate. YOU DO NOT DO YOUR LONG REST WHEN MINTHARA LEAVE THE GOBLIN CASTLE FOR THE GROVE RAID AND GO KILL RAGZLIN AND EVERY UNHOLY GOBBOES IN THE AREA.

When they are all dead, you go to sleep, talk to zevlor, betray him, et voila, kill everyone, sleep with minthara, go to CH2.

can i kiss u? thanks bruddah u n ur compadres did a great deed for murder enthusiasts with… dark urges…. everywhere ;)

Woe be to the charnel pits of Faerûn, for they are once again opened

[Amethyst_Cat]

Someone wrote here that you can kill Minthara and Gut without causing a fuss but that if you kill Dror the whole camp is up in arms.

I thought the only ways for the entire camp to go aggro was if a) the scrying eye sees you doing something bad and alerts the den, b) one of the minions go bang on a war drum or c) a guard on their duty happens across your battle.

[seeker1]

No, if you kill Dror, the whole camp goes hostile. Apparently, goblin telepathy alerts them all that the big guy has been downed. It's not just all goblins who saw you kill him.

So ... to recruit Minthara, the best method (and the one I always use) ...

Spoilers?

Wait to rescue Halsin.
Lure Gut into her chambers, kill her there so no one else sees.
KO Minthara. I don't know for sure that she needs to be temp-hostile now, but better safe than sorry. So I aggro her by stealing the map in front of her, then KO her. All I know is this always works. She can be found at Moonrise later and recruited.
Don't LR after this.
Kill Dror. The whole camp is hostile, so you're not only going to need to kill the gobbos near him but some others nearby who saw you do it. However, once you finish off all of those, combat ends ...
Kill the guards in the room leading to the Worg Pen and everything in the Pen itself, including, for whatever reason, two Worgs imprisoned in their cell. Fortunately, their prison bars don't stop a well aimed fireball, etc. Rescue Halsin.
Done. Fast travel out. Yes, the rest of the camp is hostile, and unless you spiked their booze, you'd have to fight your way out. But why bother? Fast travel back to the Grove, LR there, and get your quest rewards.

[Geeves]

Originally posted by seeker1:

No, if you kill Dror, the whole camp goes hostile. Apparently, goblin telepathy alerts them all that the big guy has been downed. It's not just all goblins who saw you kill him.

So ... to recruit Minthara, the best method (and the one I always use) ...

Spoilers?

Wait to rescue Halsin.
Lure Gut into her chambers, kill her there so no one else sees.
KO Minthara. I don't know for sure that she needs to be temp-hostile now, but better safe than sorry. So I aggro her by stealing the map in front of her, then KO her. All I know is this always works. She can be found at Moonrise later and recruited.
Don't LR after this.
Kill Dror. The whole camp is hostile, so you're not only going to need to kill the gobbos near him but some others nearby who saw you do it. However, once you finish off all of those, combat ends ...
Kill the guards in the room leading to the Worg Pen and everything in the Pen itself, including, for whatever reason, two Worgs imprisoned in their cell. Fortunately, their prison bars don't stop a well aimed fireball, etc. Rescue Halsin.
Done. Fast travel out. Yes, the rest of the camp is hostile, and unless you spiked their booze, you'd have to fight your way out. But why bother? Fast travel back to the Grove, LR there, and get your quest rewards.

1. This is an ancient thread
2. Its not about recruiting Minthara on a normal playthrough, its about killing the grove with Minthara *and* killing the goblins while still keeping Minthara