Really Larion? (The New Patch)

[Butterknife Bandit (Envious)]

So I know this probably isn't widely talked about or known
But Larion decided to screw over mod makers that liked having both Halsin and Minthara in the party.

Now if one is alive, the other will die at key checkpoints to make sure the player doesnt have both
Great. -100/10 change.
♥♥♥♥ move.

I was at Last Light Inn doing Halsin's Quest and used a Mod to add Minthara as a companion since I killed her earlier (Hilariously my mod also wasn't working earlier so that was already a red flag). I do the sequence with Marcus and go check on Halsin to progress his quest and... he's dead. Cant be revived because BS revive mechanics. All that work is gone and I'd have to start over just to do anything with him again.

I thought this might have been a bug initially but no its intentional.

This is the same game studio that told you there are no right and wrong ways to play the game, that there are billions of things to do (Despite cutting entire chucks out of the game before release)

and yet your going to sit here and spit in the face of a part of the community? For what???
The fact that people like having Minthara around but dont want to be ABHORRENTLY EVIL???
The People that want Haslin around but dont want to be locked into a restricted path?

This was one of the FIRST MODS released with the full game for a reason. I dont care for your stupid lore explanations and BS. People want to play this game how they want to play this game.

Lets just sit here for a second and realize that people are never going to give a ♥♥♥♥ about Halsin from now on because people will ALWAYS PICK MINTHARA OVER HALSIN if it comes down to it! Before people could at least experience his story and have him as a companion while romancing the second best female romance option in the game (Karlach for life). But now we dont have that choice, and you have completely spit on the mod creators that have worked hard to try and get these two to work together in the game, let alone all the mods that you might have broken with this change.

I do not understand this. It is genuinely stupid beyond belief and from now on I'm just going to respect Lazael into a Druid to replace Halsin. Or just wait until I can get Jaheira because you get her sooner, she is written WAY BETTER, and actually acts like a character (and is just better in every way). So congrats. You've killed Haslin for a LOT OF PEOPLE and he legitimately might become the least used companion in the entire game.

[EricHVela]

"My (unsupported) mod don't work no more. F U Larian. You must hate the entire world. Wah wah."

That's the TL;DR version of the OP.

[Non-binary Tiddies]

Originally posted by No_Title:

People actually wanted Halsin in their party?

Halsin is one of my favorites actually.

Originally posted by The Butterknife Bandit (Envious):

So I know this probably isn't widely talked about or known
But Larion decided to screw over mod makers that liked having both Halsin and Minthara in the party.

Larian isn't currently supporting mods, even if they were, they are not under any obligation to support or make easier a single type of mod. I get how this can be frustrating, but it is part of making a major choice in the story.

[DYNIA]

Originally posted by Cthulhu:

Originally posted by DYNIA:

he is bugged and never in camp lol

what? not he's not. He joins party after you save Oliver [/sploiler] [/quote]

in my 1st play thou he don't even join my camp when I saved druids, they stay in city and has dialoge like it was in my camp

in 2nd he was nowhere find in my camp even he joined in 1st act in 2nd act his gone

in 3rd I don't care I just killed him

bugged companion

[Adam__86]

How dare they prevent issues with conflicting characters that screw up the story

[Cthulhu]

Originally posted by Non-binary Tiddies:

Originally posted by No_Title:

People actually wanted Halsin in their party?

Halsin is one of my favorites actually.

Originally posted by The Butterknife Bandit (Envious):

So I know this probably isn't widely talked about or known
But Larion decided to screw over mod makers that liked having both Halsin and Minthara in the party.

Larian isn't currently supporting mods, even if they were, they are not under any obligation to support or make easier a single type of mod. I get how this can be frustrating, but it is part of making a major choice in the story.

from what i can see Quests/dialogs/world changes cant be modded, infact there are no quest/new origins/enemies add-removal/campaign-world changing mods, so basically im a bit to give my approval to you and the game at 50% because would be super fkin amazing to have a world editor/scripting utility to make expansions and mods like expansions adding new areas or new enemies or modifying the world/campaign/quest/npc already in the game;

all i can say is i suggest to play the game vanilla at first and maybe use only utility mods if there are any, and waiting for long to infinite untill Larian will release a game editor utility and mod support api etc that could never happen because of D&D editor rights i guess.
i remember Neverwinter Nights 2 had a game editor/scripting utility and infact there were expansions and expansion mods plus online servers with custom worlds/quests etc, etc.

[Cthulhu]

for Halsin behaviour from wht i understand (spoiler):
Halsin follow your camp but he joins after some quest trigger, it was like this for me too, he make a tent at camp first but he doesnt join party before some quests are completed, and at some point he leave the camp but he is in the Inn, then he disappear when u have to go to save Art Cullagh, then he reappears at Inn and go to the beach to wait you defend the portal while he goes trought shadow portal to rescue Oliver, and then when he returns he is finally at camp whit his tent and wants to join your party

[Cthulhu]

Halsin is genuinely good alignment, i dont think you can have him if you dont complete those his "good" quests (and Minthara and all the other companions are like this)

[PhoenixRisen77]

If you could do it before and not after the new patch, is it possible that it's just a bug and not intention?

[lawjax]

There is a cautionary tale here and it is this: do not allow your modded game to update while you are playing on an existing playthrough, especially when it is in a release state like Baldur's Gate 3 where the developer is still highly active and making adjustments based on player feedback.

Use Offline Mode for Steam - it is there for a reason. Launch the game from your manager and finish your active playthrough before allowing any updates to occur. You will eventually need to clean up your installations anyway, whether updating them or purging them, so you may as well give yourself the benefit of being able to finish a run before getting all of your affairs in order for the future.

The number of threads complaining about a patch breaking their game that have mods installed, or neglect to mention at all that they have mods installed, every time the game updates is astounding. No user-sided accountability whatsoever.

[dolby]

Originally posted by lawjax:

There is a cautionary tale here and it is this: do not allow your modded game to update while you are playing on an existing playthrough, especially when it is in a release state like Baldur's Gate 3 where the developer is still highly active and making adjustments based on player feedback.

just for info i have gazillion mods and the game runs just fine with them.. I reckon this is like one of those rare cases that break the modification, most work fine... The bigger problem is larians bugs in vanilla game.

The ones that were fixed and still many many that were not and new ones that were added with every patch... DoS games never had so many bugs.

[Callirgos]

The developers aren't responsible for mods. It's their game. They should take more proactive actions to create their vision. Mod makers need to have some humility and roll with it.

[warmy bear]

Originally posted by Zyenu:

I can't bash the game its too much a masterpiece but I will agree that you shouldn't be able to lock out companions by doing quests. There was only 1 companion in BG2 that you couldn't save no matter what and I never liked it either, Minthara is not really evil she is just tadpoled if you recruit her Wyll and Karlach probably do similar things when they leave the proximity of the prism.

Minthara is absolutely pretty evil & ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up even without the tadpole.

[wilsonjeff389]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

"My (unsupported) mod don't work no more. F U Larian. You must hate the entire world. Wah wah."

That's the TL;DR version of the OP.

Grow up and stop acting like a child
Your opinion was not asked for or needed.
Your the one who comes across as mad at the world,petty and tripe.

[Clovis Sangrail]

Originally posted by The Butterknife Bandit (Envious):

So I know this probably isn't widely talked about or known
But Larion decided to screw over mod makers that liked having both Halsin and Minthara in the party.

Now if one is alive, the other will die at key checkpoints to make sure the player doesnt have both
Great. -100/10 change.
♥♥♥♥ move.

I was at Last Light Inn doing Halsin's Quest and used a Mod to add Minthara as a companion since I killed her earlier (Hilariously my mod also wasn't working earlier so that was already a red flag). I do the sequence with Marcus and go check on Halsin to progress his quest and... he's dead. Cant be revived because BS revive mechanics. All that work is gone and I'd have to start over just to do anything with him again.

I thought this might have been a bug initially but no its intentional.

This is the same game studio that told you there are no right and wrong ways to play the game, that there are billions of things to do (Despite cutting entire chucks out of the game before release)

and yet your going to sit here and spit in the face of a part of the community? For what???
The fact that people like having Minthara around but dont want to be ABHORRENTLY EVIL???
The People that want Haslin around but dont want to be locked into a restricted path?

This was one of the FIRST MODS released with the full game for a reason. I dont care for your stupid lore explanations and BS. People want to play this game how they want to play this game.

Lets just sit here for a second and realize that people are never going to give a ♥♥♥♥ about Halsin from now on because people will ALWAYS PICK MINTHARA OVER HALSIN if it comes down to it! Before people could at least experience his story and have him as a companion while romancing the second best female romance option in the game (Karlach for life). But now we dont have that choice, and you have completely spit on the mod creators that have worked hard to try and get these two to work together in the game, let alone all the mods that you might have broken with this change.

I do not understand this. It is genuinely stupid beyond belief and from now on I'm just going to respect Lazael into a Druid to replace Halsin. Or just wait until I can get Jaheira because you get her sooner, she is written WAY BETTER, and actually acts like a character (and is just better in every way). So congrats. You've killed Haslin for a LOT OF PEOPLE and he legitimately might become the least used companion in the entire game.

Translation: OPDATE BROKED MAH MODS DIS GAME SUX!!

[SertanDoom]

Originally posted by Ironwu:

You really cannot be serious. Larian does NOT support Mods at this time. This game is still in active development, debug, and optimization.

You should not have believed the Mod Fan-Boyz that there was no risk to using Mods.

This is not on Larian, this is all on you. Man up.

This exactly and repeatedly.