'Hells', in plural?

[Carynara]

Just wondering what everyone thinks about this, I never ever said "what the hells are you doing" in my life :D It's always "hell" in singular when used in a figure of speech (unless referring to nine hells or something) and I find it interesting that it's consistently "hells" throughout this game, regardless of the sophistication of the character saying it.

[Moonbane]

Black Magic eredeti hozzászólása:

There are 9 hells in D&D, hence the saying. You're already acquainted with the first realm, Avernus.

The disconnect is clearly that thinking they are the only ones.

The Nine Hells is all under the cosmic region of Baator, that is ruled by Asmodeus, the grand arch devil. Each of the Nine Hells is a different plane you have to pass to get through the final and deepest one, Nessus, where Asmodeus reigns. Devils is their type of infernal.

The Nine Hells is opposed by the Abyss, the other significant hellish region and having demons as their main type of infernal.

[Narky]

Moonbane eredeti hozzászólása:

Black Magic eredeti hozzászólása:

There are 9 hells in D&D, hence the saying. You're already acquainted with the first realm, Avernus.

The disconnect is clearly that thinking they are the only ones.

The Nine Hells is all under the cosmic region of Baator, that is ruled by Asmodeus, the grand arch devil. Each of the Nine Hells is a different plane you have to pass to get through the final and deepest one, Nessus, where Asmodeus reigns. Devils is their type of infernal.

The Nine Hells is opposed by the Abyss, the other significant hellish region and having demons as their main type of infernal.

Oh no, I'm well aware.

What with the Devils and Archdevils being Lawful Evil and the only thing holding back the Chaotic Evil that is the denizens of the Abyss.

[⇧⇨⇩⇩⇩]

Carynara eredeti hozzászólása:

Just wondering what everyone thinks about this, I never ever said "what the hells are you doing" in my life :D It's always "hell" in singular when used in a figure of speech (unless referring to nine hells or something) and I find it interesting that it's consistently "hells" throughout this game, regardless of the sophistication of the character saying it.

Its deliberate. In DnD there are nince actual levels of hell that are real places you can go to.

[Carynara]

I'm talking about the figure of speech though. Regardless of how many hells there are, this sounds weird/forced doesn't it. You don't change every phrase and idiom to match the correct number of the referenced item in the lore... That's just weird.

There's one exception, where Gale says "Go to hell" - exactly what I mean, he could have said "go to one of the hells" instead based on the logic above but obv he's just using a common phrase, as you normally would.

[Moonbane]

Carynara eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm talking about the figure of speech though. Regardless of how many hells there are, this sounds weird/forced doesn't it. You don't change every phrase and idiom to match the correct number of the referenced item in the lore... That's just weird.

There's one exception, where Gale says "Go to hell" - exactly what I mean, he could have said "go to one of the hells" instead based on the logic above but obv he's just using a common phrase, as you normally would.

Its you whom is conflating christian mythology with Forgotten Realms mythology. They have always had the Nine Hells of Baator in the Forgotten Realms lore.

[robilar5500]

Carynara eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm talking about the figure of speech though. Regardless of how many hells there are, this sounds weird/forced doesn't it. You don't change every phrase and idiom to match the correct number of the referenced item in the lore... That's just weird.

There's one exception, where Gale says "Go to hell" - exactly what I mean, he could have said "go to one of the hells" instead based on the logic above but obv he's just using a common phrase, as you normally would.

Although there are Nine Hells in D&D, Avernus is the only hell that is actually applicable to this story, so you'll get real world overlap in how Wyll referenced it in your example.

[retsam1]

Carynara eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm talking about the figure of speech though. Regardless of how many hells there are, this sounds weird/forced doesn't it. You don't change every phrase and idiom to match the correct number of the referenced item in the lore... That's just weird.

There's one exception, where Gale says "Go to hell" - exactly what I mean, he could have said "go to one of the hells" instead based on the logic above but obv he's just using a common phrase, as you normally would.

Did you ever watch the Battlestar Galactica series where they say "oh my gods"? Its a similar thing.

I understand your hyper focus on this but its a bit silly when this isnt the first time this has been a thing in FR.

[retsam1]

robilar5500 eredeti hozzászólása:

Carynara eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm talking about the figure of speech though. Regardless of how many hells there are, this sounds weird/forced doesn't it. You don't change every phrase and idiom to match the correct number of the referenced item in the lore... That's just weird.

There's one exception, where Gale says "Go to hell" - exactly what I mean, he could have said "go to one of the hells" instead based on the logic above but obv he's just using a common phrase, as you normally would.

Although there are Nine Hells in D&D, Avernus is the only hell that is actually applicable to this story, so you'll get real world overlap in how Wyll referenced it in your example.

Actually there are references and discussions related to Tiamat's and Mephistopheles' locations as well because Tiamat made the agreement with Orpheus' mother and as part of that devils bargain remains in iamats hell with em.

The crown was originally stolen from the vaults in Mephistopheles' vaults in his realm and discussed.

And as well when creating a tiefling, you can choose from which arch devil's realm type they are per said arch devil's name.

Anyway, its not limited to Avernus but Avernus is certainly the one that takes a larger portion of focus in the game specifically.

[Szarekh the Silent King]

Carynara eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm talking about the figure of speech though. Regardless of how many hells there are, this sounds weird/forced doesn't it. You don't change every phrase and idiom to match the correct number of the referenced item in the lore... That's just weird.

There's one exception, where Gale says "Go to hell" - exactly what I mean, he could have said "go to one of the hells" instead based on the logic above but obv he's just using a common phrase, as you normally would.

There is no English language in Faerun, so count this as a rough translation.

[DrZann]

Carynara eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm talking about the figure of speech though. Regardless of how many hells there are, this sounds weird/forced doesn't it. ...

No, I don't think so. But I'm very used to this setting.

[アンジェル]

Carynara eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm talking about the figure of speech though. Regardless of how many hells there are, this sounds weird/forced doesn't it. You don't change every phrase and idiom to match the correct number of the referenced item in the lore... That's just weird.

There's one exception, where Gale says "Go to hell" - exactly what I mean, he could have said "go to one of the hells" instead based on the logic above but obv he's just using a common phrase, as you normally would.

What the hay are you talking about?

Besides, if you want to go that path, start with the origin of the idiom which is weird to begin with.

DontMisunderstand eredeti hozzászólása:

There are Nine Hells in their world. The saying in our world comes from the one Hell that Christians believe exists. That's why it's plural in their world, because the word itself is literally referring to multiple places. Nine of them.

[Popsicles]

There are 9 levels to hell, so it's plural.

[Callirgos]

Carynara eredeti hozzászólása:

Just wondering what everyone thinks about this, I never ever said "what the hells are you doing" in my life :D It's always "hell" in singular when used in a figure of speech (unless referring to nine hells or something) and I find it interesting that it's consistently "hells" throughout this game, regardless of the sophistication of the character saying it.

Gameworld Lore. There are 9 layers of hell, so they say "Hells".

[MrSoul]

Carynara eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm talking about the figure of speech though. Regardless of how many hells there are, this sounds weird/forced doesn't it. You don't change every phrase and idiom to match the correct number of the referenced item in the lore... That's just weird.

There's one exception, where Gale says "Go to hell" - exactly what I mean, he could have said "go to one of the hells" instead based on the logic above but obv he's just using a common phrase, as you normally would.

Not really if you’re familiar with the lore. It’d be far weirder if they didn’t. Like this in old games and long as can rem for any novels etc set in the forgotten realms.

They say hells, because it is plural in their world. Gale saying go to hell, is the awkward one that sticks out actually shows a writer doesn’t get the lore that well.

[Cambion Mage]

as many said before me, there are 9hells and on top of that also the abyss, so makes sense that the figure of speech is "hells" rather then "hell". Also same deal with "gods" instead of "god".