Why are all the Origin characters cis?

[AnonymousWizard]

I know this will be a matter of personal opinion, especially as there are some people in this forum aggressively arguing that the game should be cis-normative and hetero-normative, but it's a great disappointment to me that after a relatively inclusive character creator that doesn't try to tie gender to body type, genitalia, or voice, that you get into the game and every last one of your major allies are cisgendered with no noticeably open trans or non-binary NPCs for at least a significant chunk of the game. The game would have felt a lot more inclusive to me if it had included a trans or openly nonbinary characteramong the major party members.

As it stands the amazing mod support has allowed me to mod Gale into being transmasc (which was just what made the most sense to me, your millage may vary), but it would still be nice to be included among the ;people allowed to save the world' bu default.

[TomH1512]

What a load of rubbish. Representation is about it being representative of the population of the world you're in and you have that. Every character can be bi, every character you make can be trans or change their genitals and identity mid-game if you wish, you've got white, black and characters from different real world nationalities available. You're creating an issue and whining about something you don't need to. Be happy with what you've got.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by L3wt:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

"Cis" and "trans" are Latin words (a few thousand years old) that have been used in chemistry for over 150 years.

Ah, see I'm not a chemist.

But you are an adult, and therefore shouldn't assume something didn't exist until you heard of it for the first time.

[Linde]

Originally posted by AnonymousWizard:

I know this will be a matter of personal opinion, especially as there are some people in this forum aggressively arguing that the game should be cis-normative and hetero-normative, but it's a great disappointment to me that after a relatively inclusive character creator that doesn't try to tie gender to body type, genitalia, or voice, that you get into the game and every last one of your major allies are cisgendered with no noticeably open trans or non-binary NPCs for at least a significant chunk of the game. The game would have felt a lot more inclusive to me if it had included a trans or openly nonbinary characteramong the major party members.

As it stands the amazing mod support has allowed me to mod Gale into being transmasc (which was just what made the most sense to me, your millage may vary), but it would still be nice to be included among the ;people allowed to save the world' bu default.

I don't agree with your analysis that there are only cis origin characters. You can customize the Dark Urge down to genitals... I have ^_^
That being said more custom choices on the appearance of origin characters wouldn't bother me, but then again it ain't a hill I'm willing to die attempting to conquer.

[Aria Athena]

Originally posted by Black Magic:

Originally posted by Aria Athena:

There is a word for transgender, two actually, not for cisgender. I have no idea if we borrow the same word for it, it has never come up and it's not part of the dictionary.

Cisgender is an antonym and it does in-fact have scientific roots. It's just been conflated with the idea it's inflammatory because it suits the outrage of a particular minority party. Them calling it "offensive" and derogatory is their attempt to get back at people.

It's uncommon but it's in the same boat as Non/-Binary, which you would be surprised to find that there's a lot of people who don't actually understand what that means and actually think it's offensive.

I know it's an antonym, but the greek word for transgender doesn't have one. I don't think it needs one either, I find the word to be redundant, since being transgender is, for a lack of better word, a condition, and we do not need a word for not having a certain condition, only for having one. I have trouble finding a non-stupid parallel. For example there is no word for not being a dwarf, you either have dwarfism or you don't. This opinion is reinforced by people very rarely using it, cause they simply do not need to.

I don't think it can be conflated with the idea that it is inflammatory, without being inflammatory, regardless of not having inherently a negative connotation. If some people find it to be so, then it will lead to arguments anyway and thus it is inflammatory.

If I had to guess, the problem lies in that it is, as you said, uncommon, a description I think kinda undersells it. The word has never come up in my language, something I assume holds true, or at least held true for a while, for many people whose first language is not English. So where did we first hear it? The internet. In what context? Quite likely in some yourtube video in the same sentence as white, male and privilege, leaving us rather confused.

So when most, if not all, contact with the word is on the internet, in the form of topics such as this, which come along with made up words like 'cisnormativity', a term that apparently describes an ideology whose purpose is the invalidation of certain people, we can't help but at least sigh at the sight of it.

[L3wt]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Originally posted by L3wt:

Ah, see I'm not a chemist.

But you are an adult, and therefore shouldn't assume something didn't exist until you heard of it for the first time.

Well are you going to tell me what cis means because it looks like an abbreviated word.

[L3wt]

Originally posted by Aria Athena:

Originally posted by Black Magic:

Cisgender is an antonym and it does in-fact have scientific roots. It's just been conflated with the idea it's inflammatory because it suits the outrage of a particular minority party. Them calling it "offensive" and derogatory is their attempt to get back at people.

It's uncommon but it's in the same boat as Non/-Binary, which you would be surprised to find that there's a lot of people who don't actually understand what that means and actually think it's offensive.

I know it's an antonym, but the greek word for transgender doesn't have one. I don't think it needs one either, I find the word to be redundant, since being transgender is, for a lack of better word, a condition, and we do not need a word for not having a certain condition, only for having one. I have trouble finding a non-stupid parallel. For example there is no word for not being a dwarf, you either have dwarfism or you don't. This opinion is reinforced by people very rarely using it, cause they simply do not need to.

I don't think it can be conflated with the idea that it is inflammatory, without being inflammatory, regardless of not having inherently a negative connotation. If some people find it to be so, then it will lead to arguments anyway and thus it is inflammatory.

If I had to guess, the problem lies in that it is, as you said, uncommon, a description I think kinda undersells it. The word has never come up in my language, something I assume holds true, or at least held true for a while, for many people whose first language is not English. So where did we first hear it? The internet. In what context? Quite likely in some yourtube video in the same sentence as white, male and privilege, leaving us rather confused.

So when most, if not all, contact with the word is on the internet, in the form of topics such as this, which come along with made up words like 'cisnormativity', a term that apparently describes an ideology whose purpose is the invalidation of certain people, we can't help but at least sigh at the sight of it.

Ahh I get it. These aren't even zoomers, they're just a tiny gathering of flat earthers that are trying to communicate outside their biodome. Oops I mean biosquare.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by L3wt:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

But you are an adult, and therefore shouldn't assume something didn't exist until you heard of it for the first time.

Well are you going to tell me what cis means because it looks like an abbreviated word.

"Cis" is a Latin word that means "on this side of". It's the antonym of "trans", which means "on that side of".

In this particular context, it is indeed abbreviated from "cisgender", which just means someone who is not transgender.

[Abyssian]

Right??? I want my character to be identified as a TV remote controller!

[L3wt]

Originally posted by Nightsong:

Right??? I want my character to be identified as a TV remote controller!

TV remotes have rights now too? :(

[Frode]

Does Cis mean normal?

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Frode:

Does Cis mean normal?

No, it means "cis". It's a Latin word.

[noisyturtle]

"Cis is a modern term used to marginalize normal people"

- Norm Macdonald

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

Originally posted by Frode:

Does Cis mean normal?

No, it means "cis".

cis means nothing other than than on this side. If you mean cisgender than yes Frode it means normal because heterosexual... or to them cisgender which is the term a particular group wants to use as a designation for people unlike themselves, represents the standard, usual, or typical.

[Aria Athena]

Originally posted by L3wt:

Ahh I get it. These aren't even zoomers, they're just a tiny gathering of flat earthers that are trying to communicate outside their biodome. Oops I mean biosquare.

I can't say that I understood what you mean by this.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Vixzian:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

No, it means "cis".

cis means nothing other than than on this side. If you mean cisgender than yes Frode it means normal because heterosexual... or to them cisgender which is the term a particular group wants to use as a designation for people unlike themselves, represents the standard, usual, or typical.

"Cisgender" doesn't mean "heterosexual" nor "normal".