How is Cleric good?

[noisyturtle]

Everyone says Cleric class is op, but all the spells are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. There's some summons... and that's really it for offense. All they can do is buff and heal, I had to make mine an archer just to be useful in combat. How are they good?
WTF spells am I overlooking that make this useless support class more functional in combat?

[Klutch]

free spells

[Kafik]

Originally posted by noisyturtle:

WTF spells am I overlooking that make this useless support class more functional in combat?

About 5000 things you can find on Google.

[juicy j]

Most people use tempest cleric which lets your spells do maximum damage X times per day. So basically you will cast "Bless" at the start of combat, then spam "Call Lightning" for damage. And use your heal spells outside of combat.

Later in the game you can get "Chain Lightning" scrolls and they are incredible coupled with tempest cleric max damage thing.

[guppy]

Originally posted by noisyturtle:

Everyone says Cleric class is op, but all the spells are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. There's some summons... and that's really it for offense. All they can do is buff and heal, I had to make mine an archer just to be useful in combat. How are they good?
WTF spells am I overlooking that make this useless support class more functional in combat?

1) Bless give N targets 5-25% extra chance to hit and make savning throws.
2) Spirit guardians is the best scaling spell in the game with a damage type that is one of the least resisted. BG3 made it even better by it doing damage on both your turn and their turn, it effectively weaponized movement. Pop that and spend the next up to 10 rounds dashing past the enemies for more combined damage than a sorcerers wet dreams

Both requires concentration sadly so you need a new bless bot past level 5.

oh yeah they also have other spells like sanctuary, healing and so on but those eat valuable spirits guardian spell slots. ;)

[FunkyMonkey]

Here are the spells that I think are some of the best for Clerics:

Lvl 1 - Guiding bolt (or Inflict wounds), Bless (or Bane), Healing word, Sanctuary, Command, Shield of Faith
Lvl 2 - Hold person, Aid, Spiritual weapon, Lesser restoration, Enhance ability, Silence
Lvl 3 - Spirit guardians. I don't even remember what other spells Clerics get at lvl 3, that's how good Spirit guardians is.

If you want damage from your Clerics, use Spirit guardians, Guiding bolt and Spiritual weapon.

If you want CC, use Hold person (later Hold monster) and Command.

Out of combat, Enhance ability is great. Silence can be useful and be used in creative ways.

Command is really underrated I feel, it takes no concentration, so you can always use it, regardless what other spell you are concentrating on, be it Bless for buffing, Hold person for CC or Spirit guardians for damage. Seriously, always take Command. It also upcasts to target +1 target per spell level. It's amazing.

[Lain]

wydm at least half the spells they have are more than decent
and some of their best spells are gotten fairly early.
almost have a tool for everything.

[PK_Thunder]

Because spirit guardians considered one of the very best spells in 5e, and a variety of gear options in this game make it even better.

Radiant damage in general is very strong here, and nobody does it better than cleric.

[Sistalis]

I'm playing as a cleric of Helm in BG3 , turn undead is a life saver in some battles and I also gave mine high constitution+heavy armor and other boosts he's a great blocker taking enemy focus of my mages.

[Mokona]

Didnt look at cleric at all if you only see them with buffs and heals.

[Hyena]

Wall of fire? Add it to you' warlock's hunger of hadar and watch enemies walk themselves to death at a snail's pace.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by juicy j:

Most people use tempest cleric which lets your spells do maximum damage X times per day. So basically you will cast "Bless" at the start of combat, then spam "Call Lightning" for damage. And use your heal spells outside of combat.

Later in the game you can get "Chain Lightning" scrolls and they are incredible coupled with tempest cleric max damage thing.

Glyph of Warding is a good mention for this too.

Lvl 3, basically like short range fireball, 5d8 damage of almost any type you want.

So that's 40 AoE damage when maximized at lvl 5 instead of the 30 of call lightning with a much bigger radius.


I'd add that core cleric can look a bit less inspired, they have a relatively large amount of power tied up in domains - the extra spells can really help out, as can the channel divinity abilities. Plus the proficiency and extra attacks even.

[noisyturtle]

Glyph Of Warding is like the worst spell in the game. What? I must really be missing something about how cleric works.

[PK_Thunder]

Originally posted by noisyturtle:

Glyph Of Warding is like the worst spell in the game. What? I must really be missing something about how cleric works.

Glyph of Warding is on demand damage with a decent radius that doesn't use concentration. That's something in short supply for the cleric class which lacks burst.

Particularly if you're using concentration for spirit guardians, Glyph of Warding is your AOE while guiding bolt is your single target.

If you're tempest cleric all bets are off, they can play very differently from other subclasses.

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by noisyturtle:

Glyph Of Warding is like the worst spell in the game. What? I must really be missing something about how cleric works.

Glyph of wardings only problem is the low range. Why do you think is the worst?

[FunkyMonkey]

Originally posted by noisyturtle:

Glyph Of Warding is like the worst spell in the game. What? I must really be missing something about how cleric works.

Have you tried some of the spells that have been suggested in this thread? Big one being Spirit guardians.