Baldur's Gate 3

Baldur's Gate 3

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IHateWasps Sep 28, 2023 @ 12:44pm
Is an enchantment wizard's special feat useless?
Okay, this may be a dumb question and/or me misunderstanding the rules. But here goes:

The special ability you get as a wizard around level 6 or 7 when you pick enchantment as your spell school makes you able to cast the same enchantment spell on two targets. For instance, dominate person works against two humanoids instead of one, and so on.

The problem is that with the way concentration works in this game (and in the 5E ruleset in general, I suppose), once you cast another concentration requiring spell, the first one breaks. This means that when I use Dominate Person on two targets simultaneously, one of the targets is immediately un-dominated.

Is this intentional? Is it a bug? If the former, what is even the point of this special ability? I feel like it's quite useless.
And yes, I am aware that enemies sometimes make immediate saves against a spell even when you succeed in casting it on them. I don't think this is what is going on here.
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Kernest Sep 28, 2023 @ 12:48pm 
You're talking about the level 10 ability Split Enchantment.

I haven't tried it myself, but I'd assume it works correctly on Enchantment spells like Hold Person / Hold Monster at the very least.

Haven't tried it myself, let alone with Dominate Person, so would need someone else to confirm.

Also, the ability is virtually the same as in DnD 5e, so it definitely should allow you to dominate two people, and there's no issue with concentration in the game when upcasting Hold Person onto multiple targets.
Last edited by Kernest; Sep 28, 2023 @ 12:51pm
Hexoplex Sep 28, 2023 @ 12:49pm 
The ability you are thinking about is Split Enchantment and it is a level 10 ability. If you are only level 6 or 7, you have he charm reaction
Bisexual Offender Sep 28, 2023 @ 12:50pm 
There are other enchantment spells in the game you know.
No, Larian is just stupid and doesn't know how to implement D&D correctly.
JimmysTheBestCop Sep 28, 2023 @ 1:00pm 
Wizards only need fireball 🔥
THANKS OBAMA Sep 28, 2023 @ 2:00pm 
It will work. Problem is that wizards are bad in this game except as support units. Divination Wizard brought to level 6, or Transmutation 6 but only on units you won't bring into the field.

Sorcerer is way too overpowering compared to wizards. You can just use scrolls to emulate their ability to cast anything, or take 1 level dip into wizard to accomplish the same feat.
Moonbane Sep 28, 2023 @ 2:06pm 
There is enchantments that isnt concentration requireing. The perk works fine, you just have wrong expectations. You cant twin cast concentration spells.
JimmysTheBestCop Sep 28, 2023 @ 2:42pm 
Originally posted by THANKS OBAMA:
It will work. Problem is that wizards are bad in this game except as support units. Divination Wizard brought to level 6, or Transmutation 6 but only on units you won't bring into the field.

Sorcerer is way too overpowering compared to wizards. You can just use scrolls to emulate their ability to cast anything, or take 1 level dip into wizard to accomplish the same feat.

Wizards weak. Never
THANKS OBAMA Sep 28, 2023 @ 2:58pm 
Originally posted by JimmysTheBestCop:
Originally posted by THANKS OBAMA:
It will work. Problem is that wizards are bad in this game except as support units. Divination Wizard brought to level 6, or Transmutation 6 but only on units you won't bring into the field.

Sorcerer is way too overpowering compared to wizards. You can just use scrolls to emulate their ability to cast anything, or take 1 level dip into wizard to accomplish the same feat.

Wizards weak. Never
Sorcs do everything they do in general except for extremely niche cases. You do realize that scrolls allow you to accomplish the whole cast anything and have it on hand feat right?
Moonbane Sep 28, 2023 @ 3:01pm 
What wizards have going for them is their specialties, most of which is quite niche. But notably Evocation and Necromancy. As well choice spells Sorcerers cannot learn.

Theres two unique scrolls in the Sorcerous sundries vaults that only a Wizard can properly milk by learning them. Dethrone (Necromancy lvl 5 single target nuke) and Art of War (Evocation lvl 5 super powerful magic missile)
Last edited by Moonbane; Sep 28, 2023 @ 3:03pm
JimmysTheBestCop Sep 28, 2023 @ 3:17pm 
Originally posted by THANKS OBAMA:
Originally posted by JimmysTheBestCop:

Wizards weak. Never
Sorcs do everything they do in general except for extremely niche cases. You do realize that scrolls allow you to accomplish the whole cast anything and have it on hand feat right?

You do not realize the power of a wizard. Wizards are superior
Moonbane Sep 28, 2023 @ 3:21pm 
Originally posted by JimmysTheBestCop:
Originally posted by THANKS OBAMA:
Sorcs do everything they do in general except for extremely niche cases. You do realize that scrolls allow you to accomplish the whole cast anything and have it on hand feat right?

You do not realize the power of a wizard. Wizards are superior
Wizards have nothing that compares with the burst potential of a sorcerer no matter how you try to turn it. Wizards are not blasters, they are controllers or summoners.
Harukage Sep 28, 2023 @ 3:28pm 
Oh yeah? Hastened Evocation Wizard with Psychic Spark upcasting Magic Missile is the most broken thing i saw in the game. It is FAR MORE reliable then your sorcerer fireball shenanigans.
JimmysTheBestCop Sep 28, 2023 @ 3:37pm 
Originally posted by Harukage:
Oh yeah? Hastened Evocation Wizard with Psychic Spark upcasting Magic Missile is the most broken thing i saw in the game. It is FAR MORE reliable then your sorcerer fireball shenanigans.

Wizards 4 life
Szoki Sep 28, 2023 @ 3:47pm 
Originally posted by Moonbane:
Originally posted by JimmysTheBestCop:

You do not realize the power of a wizard. Wizards are superior
Wizards have nothing that compares with the burst potential of a sorcerer no matter how you try to turn it. Wizards are not blasters, they are controllers or summoners.
Magic Missle focused Evocation Wizard with right items can do over 500 damage per turn.
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