What makes monks so great in this game but not in DND?

[Mackerel]

So...When I used to DM for stuff we would joke how bad rangers and monks are. Apparently in this game monk+multiclassing is one of the strongest builds. What gives?

[Anna]

yet they have the most unsightly armor :(

[Orion Invictus]

A few possibilities:
1 - You and your players just didn't know how to play Monks.
2 - Your campaigns weren't adequate for Monks.
3 - BG3's campaign is especially good for Monks.
4 - 5e is especially good for Monks.
5 - The fact that it's a digital adaptation of DnD, with some mechanics removed (out of necessity), means the things that made Monks bad were also removed.

[insolent1]

The amount of combat movement they get.
Tavern brawler and so much equipment.

Probably the biggest buff they get is no alignment, it was this that made monks hard to play in all previous DnD games.

[ImHelping]

You already understand the truth, really. 99% of the answers you will get claiming "Nuh uh monk super strong!" will be-

A: crying "Their punching doesn't suck for too long!... because I took tavern brawler feat to make punching suck less! therefore monk punching not suck!"

B: crying "Their AC is NOT too slow growing they will totally have 20/20 Dex/wis instantly! (pay no attention to me screaming you should take feats instead of stats)" or bragging about all the magic items or even multiclassing they did to ♥♥♥♥♥♥ their monk's AC... and treat that as the monk itself being good AC.

C: acting like short rest recharge ki point spending is on par with REAL spells. "But you can dodge as a bonus action every turn!" "That costs ki points idiot" "...but you get ki back on a short rest. therefore infinity ki points" "I have. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Four of them at this level!"

and so on. You can have a good time with a monk if you go in knowing it can have issues, but if you go in falling for people doing the usual idiocy of treating magical steroids and mutliclassing as "Therefore, this single class is overpowered" they do for basically anything that can hit a goblin with a club, you are gonna suffer from a lot of letdown.

[Moonbane]

Tavern brawler is whats carrying monks hard in this game, and its widely accepted the feat is op. As well dipping 3 into thief for a bonus action, which pushes monks into crazy land.

[Lil-Trouble]

Tavern brawler, the fact they get a ki point and level one here when pen n paper makes them wait a level or two.

One dnd has sadly gutted the monk despite their word on buffing martials

[talemore]

Monk started as endgame tanker against demons in 2nd edition where the most important stat was wisdom. Without wisdom you were pretty much finished.

The demons could use mind control. Tell people to kill their own.

There were spells who protected who cleric had.

At highest level having the entire party simply die by going to sleep is why monk had wisdom.

In this game you won't reach higher than 12 that Dexterity is pumped and strength is pumped.

[talemore]

You never notice how absent it is to find an enemy using sleep in this game

[Moonbane]

You do realize that sleep only matters in the early game? The first enemies in the first dungeon area have a mage using sleep. But it becomes obsolete fairly fast due to having a hp limit on what it can effect.

[Morvana]

items + tavern brawler.

Items adapted for monks make the lack or classical armors a sidegrade and not a downgrade.
Tavern brawler make the lack or classical weapons a sidegrade and not a downgrade.

[Lucius]

The wiki says tavern brawler doesn't double dex damage, how are you supposed to build the monk then?

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Crocodile:

The wiki says tavern brawler doesn't double dex damage, how are you supposed to build the monk then?

With STR, of course.

[Lucius]

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

With STR, of course.

But then my melee character has like 14 AC. What's your stat spread?

[Moonbane]

Strenght elixirs is what they abuse.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by Crocodile:

Originally posted by Orion Invictus:

With STR, of course.

But then my melee character has like 14 AC. What's your stat spread?

Oh, don't look at me for build advice. I use DEX/WIS/CON like a normal person who thinks it's hilarious to have the highest AC in the party while wearing zero armor. I just think they use STR for those builds.

EDIT: And I thought wrong, as per above.