Mobs NEVER Heal !

[surreptitious]

The game is broken.
I love the game, but combat is broken.

Unless a mob drinks a potion , goes and sees a cleric or some other action
THEY SHOULD NEVER HEAL.

Im my mind i see it as a poor fix to stealth and longbows, where you can stand outside the mobs visual range and kill it or go into stealth at the end of combat ... which is 100% allowed and is part of the rogue damage calculation, and part of their game play even.

1) Lets take Boscoe the Bear in the grove , go up top to there the druid is singing and shoot him , he takes 12 damage runs 10 feet away and heals to full. WHY did it drink a potion ? did a druid use a heal ? .. nope game just decided to reset the encounter .... except it didn't
the druids are now looking for me .. looking for the person who.... did what ? the bear is at 100% health ... right ... I decide when combat is over not the game. I just shot a mob in the face ... it insta healed and agro'd every mob around it. It isn't even agro !!!!!

2) I just fought 10 mobs , all of my team is dead but me .. I have the remaining 2 enemies down to 10% life , I run to shadows and hide getting ready to sneak attack next round....
The mob runs RIGHT UP TO ME , my ghost is feet away .... stand right in front of me doing stealth detection checks over and over .... then BOOM both of them are back at 100% health , combat is over , im no longer in turn based both mobs insta start patrolling , see me agro get initiative and kill me. WHO SAID THE FIGHT WAS OVER ? I WAS NOT RUNNING AWAY , I WAS USING AN ABILITY FOR ROGUES TO INITIATE A SNEAK ATTACK !!! WTF

FIX IT

[Kafik]

Originally posted by surreptitious:

FIX IT

lol, you just need to get a bit better.

[guard65]

In combat they take damage, once out of combat they reset to default. Just happens to be healed with full strength and all spells restored.

[surreptitious]

Originally posted by Mal:

Originally posted by surreptitious:

FIX IT

lol, you just need to get a bit better.

Ummm no
No i don't

You can't sneak attack as the last player standing in an encounter.
You understand that yeah
Should i draw pictures for you, help you understand ?
educate you ?

I can use smaller words if you are confused ?
here try this

2 players , the people with the pictures on the left side of the screen .
you still following ?

if 2 of them have colour in their pictures they are alive.
If they are grey with a skull they are dead.

If both have colour then you can do a sneak attack ...
but if only one has colour you can't .... because the encounter resets.

Do you understand ?
If English isn't your first language , there is an online dictionary i can link to help .

[Kafik]

Originally posted by surreptitious:

Originally posted by Mal:

lol, you just need to get a bit better.

Ummm no
No i don't

You can't sneak attack as the last player standing in an encounter.
You understand that yeah
Should i draw pictures for you, help you understand ?
educate you ?

I can use smaller words if you are confused ?
here try this

2 players , the people with the pictures on the left side of the screen .
you still following ?

if 2 of them have colour in their pictures they are alive.
If they are grey with a skull they are dead.

If both have colour then you can do a sneak attack ...
but if only one has colour you can't .... because the encounter resets.

Do you understand ?
If English isn't your first language , there is an online dictionary i can link to help .

LOL Yes.
Don't let the rogue be the last person alive. I.e. get better.

[surreptitious]

Originally posted by Mal:

Originally posted by surreptitious:

Ummm no
No i don't

You can't sneak attack as the last player standing in an encounter.
You understand that yeah
Should i draw pictures for you, help you understand ?
educate you ?

I can use smaller words if you are confused ?
here try this

2 players , the people with the pictures on the left side of the screen .
you still following ?

if 2 of them have colour in their pictures they are alive.
If they are grey with a skull they are dead.

If both have colour then you can do a sneak attack ...
but if only one has colour you can't .... because the encounter resets.

Do you understand ?
If English isn't your first language , there is an online dictionary i can link to help .

LOL Yes.
Don't let the rogue be the last person alive. I.e. get better.

Humm not the sharpest tool in the shed eh?
I like to give back to the community by helping those in need.
Allow me to help you.


Player 1 and Player 2 .
Once again sorry if im going too fast .

they are the players with the pictures on the left.
The ones we spoke about before, remember ?

Well lets call the one on top Player 1
and the one below Player 2

Player one moves into the shadows and uses stealth ....
One of the mobs now takes a turn moves and attacks Player 2.

Im sorry, the mobs are the bad guys, in case you were confused.

So then the mobs "Bad Guys" get a turn and they kill Player 2
Don't be scared... it part of the game.
So now Player 1 is hiding and Player 2 is Dead .

And you know what happens ?
take a second and guess ?

....

If you guessed that the encounter resets.
Give yourself a gold star big guy!

You can have 2 stars if you figured out there was no option for Player 1, unless of course you mean Rogues should never use stealth .

Which is core to their class.

[Jeronimosss]

Hmm, I agree it's kinda stupid that rouge being rouge ends the battle.
I think this should not happen while you're still in range. This kind of locks out a mono-party playthrough (all rouges).
I get your frustration. I'd say the mobs should still heal, but only if you're out of range or have not attacked for X turns.

[Яeplicant]

In other words, you were unable to cheat an encounter and have decided to ♥♥♥♥♥ about it? Resting out of combat? Nuh-uh, don't want it in my game! Fix it!

Gotcha.

[Kafik]

Originally posted by surreptitious:

Originally posted by Mal:

LOL Yes.
Don't let the rogue be the last person alive. I.e. get better.

Humm not the sharpest tool in the shed eh?
I like to give back to the community by helping those in need.
Allow me to help you.


Player 1 and Player 2 .
Once again sorry if im going too fast .

they are the players with the pictures on the left.
The ones we spoke about before, remember ?

Well lets call the one on top Player 1
and the one below Player 2

Player one moves into the shadows and uses stealth ....
One of the mobs now moves moves and attacks Player 2.

Im sorry, the mobs are the bad guys, in case you were confused.

So then the mobs "Bad Guys" get a turn and they kill Player 2
Don't be scared... it part of the game.
So now Player 1 is hiding and Player 2 is Dead .

And you know what happens ?
take a second and guess ?

....

If you guessed that the encounter resets.
Give yourself a gold star big guy!

You can have 2 stars if you figured out there was no option for Player 1, unless of course you mean Rogues should never use stealth .

Which is core to their class.

What part about "don't die" is hard to understand? There's heals in the game, crowd control in the game. And if you're trying to stealth with only one character left alive and low enough health that the mean, nasty monsters will kill you in one round then you are using the worst tactics ever devised.

[The_Dipl0mat]

So you're saying combat ended, and after combat the enemies healed themselves?

Like we usually do?

[The_Dipl0mat]

Originally posted by Jeronimosss:

Hmm, I agree it's kinda stupid that rouge being rouge ends the battle.
I think this should not happen while you're still in range. This kind of locks out a mono-party playthrough (all rouges).
I get your frustration. I'd say the mobs should still heal, but only if you're out of range or have not attacked for X turns.

Tbh that'd work, especially since they did implement a system that tells how long a turn is in real time

[RoboSauce]

Originally posted by guard65:

In combat they take damage, once out of combat they reset to default. Just happens to be healed with full strength and all spells restored.

Really? If so that is another bad rules decision in BG3. There are way too many abstractions of the rules for my tastes, hopefully things like this get fixed. What is reasonable: units use actual available healing, or if left alone for 5 minutes they get a short rest. If a unit has a healing potion, either they use it or the player kills them before they can and the player gets the potion.

[dolby]

Originally posted by guard65:

In combat they take damage, once out of combat they reset to default. Just happens to be healed with full strength and all spells restored.

thing is it was added cos larian couldn't find a normal way to balance combat and out of combat mode with out gimmicks like this and still doesn't do much hehe

[Kafik]

Originally posted by RoboSauce:

Originally posted by guard65:

In combat they take damage, once out of combat they reset to default. Just happens to be healed with full strength and all spells restored.

Really? If so that is another bad rules decision in BG3. There are way too many abstractions of the rules for my tastes, hopefully things like this get fixed. What is reasonable: units use actual available healing, or if left alone for 5 minutes they get a short rest.

Lol if the game didn't work this way people would just cheese every fight by leaving combat.

[Curfuffle]

Originally posted by The_Dipl0mat:

Tbh that'd work, especially since they did implement a system that tells how long a turn is in real time

Who did? Afaik a round has always been 6 seconds.

[surreptitious]

Its a world with FIXED resources
If you want to charge me food or potions to get my health back
and no matter how long im out off combat I dont get my spells and health back .

Then neither should anything else !!
FIXED resource game ... mobs violate the world by insta healing and getting all resources restored ... its no longer a world with rules.

If you want to restore all health to mobs ... WHEN I SHORT REST OR REST.
But if i fought with it and killed it down to 10% and the encounter resets cause i was in stealth when the rest of my party wiped .. its broken.