Can't Tell the Tieflings of the Raid? Trying to Bait Minthara

[LostAngel1000]

How do I tell Zevlor of the fact I am setting up Minthara to raid the place and be ambushed? Isn't that how this is suppose to work? Why I can cloud my mind and obscure the location and draw a Map? To Bait Minthara to a where me and the Tieflings can ambush them??

[in]

They will be waiting ready to ambush then anyway. It's scripted to be that way already.

[LostAngel1000]

Really? Then what the point of obscuring them in my mind when she is inside it? Why does it not allow me to talk to Zevlor and let him know they are coming no matter what options I pick? Shouldn't betraying Minthara mean they are informed and ready to attack?

[Foxador]

The point of obscuring your mind is so that her raid against the grove doesn't start. Which gives you the chance to kill her and stop any raid from happening before it happens.

You can still betray Minthara and bait her out. Just tell her you know where the grove is and agree to work from the inside of the grove to let her troops in. After a long rest, which is required, her troops will be ready to attack the town and you can tell Zevlor that her troops are on the way and you can side with them and defend the town from the gate

The thing is, you can't warn Zevlor of an incoming attack if they're not actually coming in to attack. Minthara won't raid the place until you give her the information. So you can either attack the goblin camp and kill everyone or you can defend the grove against the raid

It does bait her out since she's expecting you to be on their side and open the gate for her troops, which you don't need to do, which means her troops can be slaughtered outside the gate

The downside is that you *will* lose some Tieflings doing this as the raid is a pretty decent size and some of the defenders will get overwhelmed. The upside is that you have favorable ground to fight off a horde of troops

There are different ways to handle this situation, this is just one way

[LostAngel1000]

Okay I think i am understanding so set it up long rest THEN I can talk to Zevlor to let them know that they are coming that day and ready a counter attack??

[nemO]

Originally posted by LostAngel1000:

Okay I think i am understanding so set it up long rest THEN I can talk to Zevlor to let them know that they are coming that day and ready a counter attack??

correct

[TamTroll]

it's because Zevlor is a selfish idiot. I told him he and his refugees needed to leave the Grove because they were in danger of Minthara's attack, and that i would help escort them out of there, and he just attacks me and dies.

Tried to save them, nobody would listen to my warnings.

[lawjax]

As far as bait is concerned, I believe that taking several tiefling heads and presenting them on spikes at the gate would qualify as being sufficient bait for Minthara and her merry band of miscreants to arrive. Say nothing of how pleased she would doubtlessly be with you.