Can I kill Brithvar espec Sergeant Thrinn after siding with them against Nere

[Zcheus]

I basically wanna gut them all, (and get boots of speed back) is this possible?
thanks

[lawjax]

You can kill anything that has a health bar.

[Zcheus]

Originally posted by lawjax:

You can kill anything that has a health bar.

:D I was thinking in terms if they gonna scram at some point just run away disappear etc.. but thanks

[lawjax]

On a less lighthearted note, if your intention is to kill everything that moves at Grymforge without incurring too much risk to your own party then yes, you can choose a side and you can position your party in such a way where you simply wait for your "allies" to whittle down the health of your enemies, and then pick off the enemies once they are low and start attacking your "allies".

The one thing you cannot get away with in this particular encounter, and I learned this through a bit of trial and error, is using a certain malevolent flask containing a nasty surprise inside, or calling on a band of ogres you might have at your disposal - you cannot use either of these if you want to save the gnomes, as the ogres or the other option (without spoiling you - if you know, you know) will cause aggression in everything, turning all NPCs in the area temporarily hostile.

If you care nothing for the gnomes, this is a very convenient place to use your band of ogres and then proceed to betray them. As for your concern about not being able to kill the deurgar - do not worry, you can most certainly attack them and they will be happy to reciprocate your violence in kind.

[RedRobed]

Short answer: Yes.

Somewhat longer answer: You can, but attacking Thrinn will aggro all the dwarves prior to freeing Nere. So you'll lock yourself out of getting their help for the fight.

Longer answer: Giving Thrinn the Boots of Speed, and then talking to the dwarves about gutting Nere and getting payment, then successfully fulfilling the associated mini quest will net you not only a much easier fight, where you can kill the dwarves you sided with after the fact. Thus allowing you to play both sides, and coming out on top. If you Long Rest at all after having fought Nere and his goons, then, depending on your choices, the Gnomes and Dwarves will vanish to their associated fates. So it's a back to back fight, with easier to manage numbers. Fight smart, not hard.

[Zcheus]

Originally posted by RedRobed:

Short answer: Yes.

Somewhat longer answer: You can, but attacking Thrinn will aggro all the dwarves prior to freeing Nere. So you'll lock yourself out of getting their help for the fight.

Longer answer: Giving Thrinn the Boots of Speed, and then talking to the dwarves about gutting Nere and getting payment, then successfully fulfilling the associated mini quest will net you not only a much easier fight, where you can kill the dwarves you sided with after the fact. Thus allowing you to play both sides, and coming out on top. If you Long Rest at all after having fought Nere and his goons, then, depending on your choices, the Gnomes and Dwarves will vanish to their associated fates. So it's a back to back fight, with easier to manage numbers. Fight smart, not hard.

Thanks for very detailed response, but I have to say that game isn't hard, I've yet to get a really challenging fight, yes I'm playing on tactician, and I am no Beaglerush but I am XCOM/2 veteran, so I would welcome a more challenging fight, (hopefully it becomes harder in act 2 or when I get to Grymforge or Creche), anyhow, it sounds like the way you suggested I handle things will net me more xp and I love me some xp.

[Dummi3s]

Originally posted by Zcheus:

Originally posted by RedRobed:

Short answer: Yes.

Somewhat longer answer: You can, but attacking Thrinn will aggro all the dwarves prior to freeing Nere. So you'll lock yourself out of getting their help for the fight.

Longer answer: Giving Thrinn the Boots of Speed, and then talking to the dwarves about gutting Nere and getting payment, then successfully fulfilling the associated mini quest will net you not only a much easier fight, where you can kill the dwarves you sided with after the fact. Thus allowing you to play both sides, and coming out on top. If you Long Rest at all after having fought Nere and his goons, then, depending on your choices, the Gnomes and Dwarves will vanish to their associated fates. So it's a back to back fight, with easier to manage numbers. Fight smart, not hard.

Thanks for very detailed response, but I have to say that game isn't hard, I've yet to get a really challenging fight, yes I'm playing on tactician, and I am no Beaglerush but I am XCOM/2 veteran, so I would welcome a more challenging fight, (hopefully it becomes harder in act 2 or when I get to Grymforge or Creche), anyhow, it sounds like the way you suggested I handle things will net me more xp and I love me some xp.

weird flex?

[I am Karl, King of Ducks]

Originally posted by Dummi3s:

Originally posted by Zcheus:

Thanks for very detailed response, but I have to say that game isn't hard, I've yet to get a really challenging fight, yes I'm playing on tactician, and I am no Beaglerush but I am XCOM/2 veteran, so I would welcome a more challenging fight, (hopefully it becomes harder in act 2 or when I get to Grymforge or Creche), anyhow, it sounds like the way you suggested I handle things will net me more xp and I love me some xp.

weird flex?

not a flex, the game is VERY easy once you get level 5 sadly, you can see the game being very balance throughout all of act 1, because it was in early access for years, but the enemies can't keep up in act 2-3. That's why mods are important

[ReoHays]

Originally posted by I am Karl, King of Ducks:

Originally posted by Dummi3s:

weird flex?

not a flex, the game is VERY easy once you get level 5 sadly, you can see the game being very balance throughout all of act 1, because it was in early access for years, but the enemies can't keep up in act 2-3. That's why mods are important

Try going solo. Or pick one that you are going to romance and just the 2 of you go. That adds a lot to the game. This game is meant to be enjoyed. If it is the Challenge you are after you just have to slim down your party and stick to it.
FYI you can solo the Nere battle, it is one of the easiest to solo if you are set up right.