Duke Ravenguard Knocked Out

[Steffan]

I was trying to be smart and sabotaged the Steel Watch Factory and then I went to the Coronation (it seems I have somehow failed to notice that you are supposed to visit the Coronation before exploring Baldur's Gate). The fight that followed was amazing, btw (fighting all these guards).

There were two minor issues. The first being one of the mages counterspelling my spells through the walls and floors without having any line of sight. But that is not what bothered me that much.

The second was Duke Ravenguard. He was obviously hostile but knocking him unconscious made no difference. Mizora counted him as dead. After I left the area, the "Absolute" contacted me and said that all the witnesses had been eliminated. It made sense the Duke was killed by the Absolute.

What bothers me is that going back to the Wyrm's Rock area still has the duke as very much unconscious. Has anybody encountered that bug, does it bug any other events?

I am yet to figure out how to save advisor Florick so I guess I should return to that area. I also have a save where I have just killed Gortash and the Duke is lying asleep... so I can just kill him to prevent further bugs... But it feels kind of out of character, especially with Wyll around.

Any advice how to proceed with the bug of the Duke?

[The Baron]

Basically the same issue. He's alive but everyone thinks he's dead. I'm surprised they didn't consider this a possibility.

[victorvnv]

It’s not supposed to work like this.

The only way you can even pull this off is if you know exactly what would happen and have end level gear from other places . You are supposed to see the coronation first as soon as you enter the city , and if you do so you shouldn’t stand a chance vs the steel watch.

So it’s like you exploited your knowledge of what will happen and now are complaining that the game is also cheating on you

[bzz]

Originally posted by victorvnv:

It’s not supposed to work like this.

The only way you can even pull this off is if you know exactly what would happen and have end level gear from other places . You are supposed to see the coronation first as soon as you enter the city , and if you do so you shouldn’t stand a chance vs the steel watch.

So it’s like you exploited your knowledge of what will happen and now are complaining that the game is also cheating on you

What? I literally beat them on my first blind playthru of the game. Please stop with that nonsense. If you can't or won't help just skip the discussion

Originally posted by The Baron:

Basically the same issue. He's alive but everyone thinks he's dead. I'm surprised they didn't consider this a possibility.

I think the problem is that knocking someone out just isn't working.

[Brian Sirith]

Originally posted by victorvnv:

It’s not supposed to work like this.

The only way you can even pull this off is if you know exactly what would happen and have end level gear from other places . You are supposed to see the coronation first as soon as you enter the city , and if you do so you shouldn’t stand a chance vs the steel watch.

So it’s like you exploited your knowledge of what will happen and now are complaining that the game is also cheating on you

The game is an RPG that offers you different paths. There’s no one way it’s ‘supposed’ to be. I attacked them going through the first time. Since I wasn’t using meta knowledge I thought the coronation was a trap and I went in fireballs first. Gortash dead, Duke sitting hostile on some ledge, Steel Watch outside coronation room dead, Steal Watch inside alive.

Haven’t had any gamebreaking problems further -a few dialog bugs- but I don’t have Wyll in the party and haven’t completed Act 3. The whole coronation bit seems buggy.

[Moonbane]

Knocking out is not always a ticket to oblivion for npcs.

On this Durge run, i wanted to save Alfira from her grishly fate. So every long rest after meeting her, i went to KO her until the Durge dream began on the fourth rest, rolling behind all other npc stuff. Got the replacement dragonborn bard as expected. And Alfira later showed up at Last Light. And finally met her overdue death when Isobel was put under.

[steviewonder0690]

i have been a part of the coronation, and skipped it, in different playthrus. you can knock the duke unconscious, and since he is hostile when you skip the coronation there is no way to bring him back from that. hes an enemy to you, thanks to the tadpole he received. mizora cannot return him to you as an enemy, that just wouldnt make sense. you may be able to work around this if you skip the coronation, but dont do anything in the lower city regarding the steel watch (iron throne, gondians, or the factory). it would negate the fact that you purposely skipped seeing them for the inauguration, but since you didnt break any of gortash's toys then the duke might be recoverable and non-hostile.
the point in skipping the whole ordeal is to shut down the robots running about, but the duke will never be friendly towards you if you do.

[Steffan]

Actually, the Absolute does say she has killed all the eyewitnesses. I guess that's the best explanation why he died. In any case, I replayed the fight and killed him just in case. It seemed stupid to see him "unconscious" when you return in the area.

As for using advanced knowledge, it was on a blind run. I did not realize that the coronation was on the bridge at first. When I figured it out, my characters were already in Baldur's Gate and it seemed like a trap. Orin had also kidnapped Lae'zel at that point and my drow needed her related to certain quest with a certain hammer. Interrupting the coronation with Steel Watch destroyed was fun and relatively tough fight.

P.S. Alfira's death was actually a very dramatic moment (though I am surprised people could somehow bypass it). My deep regret in this run was actually not recruiting Minthara. But then again, I did roll a die to see if he will succumb to the Urge to destroy the grove and my drow resisted. I have the feeling she would have been great on a redemption run as well and I definitely missed a paladin in the party.

[Noquid]

Yea this quest of bringing Wyll and Karlach for the Coronation is frustrating. First, as soon as I enter the fortress I get attacked, there's no waltzing into the Coronation. So obviously I didn't follow some unknown quest order. I even went back to the devil-chick and let Wyll talk to her and she said to go to the Coronation. Not happening, we get attacked the instant we step foot inside. I took my weapons off, I armed my group with normal short swords, I took off anything magical that might do some type of 1-4 damage and reloaded over and over again because Ravengard burns to a crisp. No fire around, no nothing. I actually brought him outside the room and he still burns to death. If I just say screw it and let him die then Wyll is all upset that I killed him. I spent two hours trying NOT to kill him.

I guess next play through I'll follow some walk through. Totally immersive...

[Silvermane]

Originally posted by Noquid:

Yea this quest of bringing Wyll and Karlach for the Coronation is frustrating. First, as soon as I enter the fortress I get attacked, there's no waltzing into the Coronation. So obviously I didn't follow some unknown quest order. I even went back to the devil-chick and let Wyll talk to her and she said to go to the Coronation. Not happening, we get attacked the instant we step foot inside. I took my weapons off, I armed my group with normal short swords, I took off anything magical that might do some type of 1-4 damage and reloaded over and over again because Ravengard burns to a crisp. No fire around, no nothing. I actually brought him outside the room and he still burns to death. If I just say screw it and let him die then Wyll is all upset that I killed him. I spent two hours trying NOT to kill him.

I guess next play through I'll follow some walk through. Totally immersive...

i have exactly the same issue, this is a total nonsense. Why the game let us go throuth an event if it's break the game. i have did all baludr gate content before go to coronation, now i'm ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. this is realy annoying

[seeker1]

Originally posted by steffan8:

The second was Duke Ravenguard. He was obviously hostile but knocking him unconscious made no difference. Mizora counted him as dead.

Here's why. Same issue as Minthara. If you KO something permanently hostile to you, which Duke Ravengard is at that point, the game considers it dead.

[eRe4s3r]

In current version he is insta incinerated if you knock em out, least on my playthrough. I too skipped the coronation, and his cell in the submarine prison was empty, hah. It's even weirder because for me I never even got a dialog about him. Wyll never talked about it and nothing happened either. Just had his mistress stand around and saying "talk later" before the map transition.

It doesn't even make any sense logically, because Wyll didn't accept the deal she offered regarding his dad (never had the dialog) so there shouldn't be any deal..... oh well

[Legion]

Originally posted by Moonbane:

Knocking out is not always a ticket to oblivion for npcs.

On this Durge run, i wanted to save Alfira from her grishly fate. So every long rest after meeting her, i went to KO her until the Durge dream began on the fourth rest, rolling behind all other npc stuff. Got the replacement dragonborn bard as expected. And Alfira later showed up at Last Light. And finally met her overdue death when Isobel was put under.

For those thinking this still works, this was unintended behavior and has since been fixed. You cannot knock Alfira out to avoid her fate.

[Legion]

Originally posted by Noquid:

Yea this quest of bringing Wyll and Karlach for the Coronation is frustrating. First, as soon as I enter the fortress I get attacked, there's no waltzing into the Coronation. So obviously I didn't follow some unknown quest order. I even went back to the devil-chick and let Wyll talk to her and she said to go to the Coronation. Not happening, we get attacked the instant we step foot inside. I took my weapons off, I armed my group with normal short swords, I took off anything magical that might do some type of 1-4 damage and reloaded over and over again because Ravengard burns to a crisp. No fire around, no nothing. I actually brought him outside the room and he still burns to death. If I just say screw it and let him die then Wyll is all upset that I killed him. I spent two hours trying NOT to kill him.

I guess next play through I'll follow some walk through. Totally immersive...

There is no quest order to follow that has anything to do with the coronation. You screwed up by attacking something or generally caused the Watch to be hostile with you, or your game has one helluva unknown bug.

How did you get into Wyrm's Rock?
Did the gnomes attack the first gate past the first refugee town?
Was *anyone at all* hostile to you in any way?
Did you drop in rep enough with the Watch in the first refugee town?

No one at the coronation is hostile with you for no reason.

[Noquid]

@Nomadic I can't remember, that was 3 runs ago. I do remember the gnomes running up to the watch and throwing bombs. I just ran across, didn't fight anyone. I might have rescued the lady from the dungeon but can't remember. I never made it to the coronation, I was attacked as soon as I crossed the bridge and entered Wyrms rock fort. I did rescue the gnomes in the underwater prison before doing the the Steel watch factory. Ravengard wasn't in the underwater prison. I did Gortash last, in every playthrough actually. So they were probably already pretty upset with me :) np

[Sentient_Toaster]

Disabling the Steel Watch or going to the Iron Throne will render Gortash and the Wyrms Rock permanently garrison hostile. I mean, Gortash even tells you to turn back as you're on the way to the prison.