(SPOILERS) Act 2 is extremely dissapointing.

[Dragonirian]

Act 2 "good" ending is focused entirely on a lesbian realationship of two side characters.
Shadowheart just went trough a lifechanging experience and is extremely shaken. This angel lady promised to tell her everything about her past. "BUT FIRST I HAVE SEX WITH MY GF". What?
Later in camp she is "BEGONE. I AM TO SHARE MY BODY WITH MY GF, COME LATER".
It's so incredibly off-putting. THIS is what you were working towards this whole time? THIS is your cinematic reward for cleansing the land? THIS is what you get for going for a good playtrough?
An obnoxcious pair of ugly female characters that do nothing but radiate '"LESBIAN SEX" the whole ending of the act?
It breaks immersion even harder than pre patch Gale, because him you can avoid talking to and this is a railed plot.

And the salt in the wound is that the effect of your efforts, the result of the work you were doing for the whole act - all the side quests, cleansing the land of corruption, saving the spirit of the land, so on and so forth - it's just a 15 second cutscene of a tree growing. When you're leaving the act.

In my opinion, this calls for a drastic re-writing. Shifting the focus from a lesbian relationship of a 40yo trying to be an 16yo emo and a masculine angel woman who won't stop talking about how righcheous she is to an actual effect of your efforts - land healing, and more content in that healed land.

And yes, a toggle to seeing the lesbian relationship taking place at all would still be appreciated. I would rather skip it to get to Shadowheart plot than sit trough it.
Otherwise I see no incentive to ever not make Shadowhart a dark justiciar.

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by Larry:

I was very annoyed when I got to the part with Aylin and Isobel. It was VERY random and nowhere was it mentioned prior to the very end. It made no sense. Isobel didn't even follow Aylin when she clearly seen her escape from the mausoleum. She definitely knew what Aylin was and what it would look like but not a single mention of her or anything until it was just spread legged in your face at the very end of the act.

But they're not that important to our characters no ?

I can speak for others but for me Aylin was just that paladin who really like to Rp ( "THE NIGHTSONG IS NO MORE" cue flamboyant transformation) and Isobel was a sweet cleric who lost the father she loved in the past. That's good and all but we need to go to Baldur's gate yall.

[Knavenformed]

OP needs to get laid lmao

[Larry]

Originally posted by Grumpy:

Originally posted by Larry:

I was very annoyed when I got to the part with Aylin and Isobel. It was VERY random and nowhere was it mentioned prior to the very end. It made no sense. Isobel didn't even follow Aylin when she clearly seen her escape from the mausoleum. She definitely knew what Aylin was and what it would look like but not a single mention of her or anything until it was just spread legged in your face at the very end of the act.

But they're not that important to our characters no ?

I can speak for others but for me Aylin was just that paladin who really like to Rp ( "THE NIGHTSONG IS NO MORE" cue flamboyant transformation) and Isobel was a sweet cleric who lost the father she loved in the past. That's good and all but we need to go to Baldur's gate yall.

I think the problem is it takes you out of the immersion of the game. Bad writing kills immersion and the bigger problem is bad writing is almost always exclusive to gay characters. It's a case of the person writing the character isn't gay and really is not invested in the character(s) or they are gay but not a good writer which results in amateurish scripts being pushed.

I cannot see a normal interaction in real life working out the way half of these characters have been written to act out. Even in the setting and theme of the D&D universe: I cannot see normal human beings acting this way by never so much as mentioning anything related to them or the fact they had a demi-god as a girlfriend/boyfriend at any point and then for them to act the way they do when the veil is lifted at the end of the act. Aylin basically changes from someone who is driven by their religion and thirst for revenge to, basically, Karlach. Right now Aylin spams the same line over and over in my camp(because my dumb ass invited her to my camp thinking there would be another interaction to confirm I actually wanted her there - there wasn't) saying she wants to "enjoy her woman's body" or whatever she says specifically(It's the same effect; her basically drooling over Isobel and and being very controlling).

[Arlen]

Originally posted by Seagal:

Originally posted by robilar5500:

They're typically bigoted but try to hide behind pseudo intellectualism and the false premise that a character can or can't be defined by whatever.

Aylin, for example, is actually defined by her natural strength, adherence to the light, loyalty, love, and her years of torment. And none of that is hidden away. It's all very intentional in the writing and well thought out.

Okay. You have your opinion on it and so does everyone else. Great, that's how it should be. I'm not going to argue with you about it as I said. You've also already made it perfectly clear that you're not someone who can actually handle having a civil conversation either.

When people feel the need to start calling others bigots, homophobes, or whatever else, it's probably time for you to take a step back and think about what you're doing.

As I said, in a post in this thread, I didn't agree with taking out certain relationships or having a toggle for them. My complaints with the character have nothing to do with her being a lesbian, and I really couldn't care less if any of you think otherwise.

Gotta question why you focused so much on "lesbian" instead of saying "At the end she dissed you to focus on her lover" - You kind of go out of your way to put the onus on her being a lesbian instead of a person who was overjoyed to see their significant other alive, after a century of torture.

EDIT: I tend to agree that the end of act 2, the culmination of Shadowhearts mission, and the end of the act, was a bit underwhelming, especially the rather blithe way they depicted the end of the curse. Wanted a bit more interaction with Halsin, the boy, and the Fist.

[Tsuyara]

Originally posted by Larry:

I think it's a good thing to include gay relationships and gay/lesbian characters but they need to actually write a story about said gay/lesbian character and not just pull the rug from under you at the very last second and then shove "I'm here to have sex with my girlfriend" down your throat with no explaination or indication there was ever anything there.

Why? Why can't they just... be, without needing some story about it, or some explanation?

[JennyTheGhoul]

Originally posted by Buzzn:

Originally posted by Dragonirian:

By the way, that is extreme misrepresentation of what aasimar actually is.
Aasimar is a descendant of a descendant of a person who laid with a celestial, and celestial blood is extremely rare to be dominant and manifest if any visual way.
Aasimars are not literal demigods, unlike Aylin is portrayed to be.

Yeah, that was the only thing I was actually a bit miffed about.

Except, she's the literal daughter of Selune so she's not really the descendant of a descendant of a person who laid with a celestial.

[Rabbit]

Originally posted by Dragonirian:

An obnoxcious pair of ugly female characters

Just say you don't like girls and move on. You don't need to announce it to the forums in essay form.

[JennyTheGhoul]

So the other day I was searching for something in BG3 and I can't even remember what I typed in but it had to do with Aylin and Isobel and I have the adult filters turned off on my google and, of course, it brought up some results from 4Chan. Of course the incels there hate Isobel and Aylin and say they kill Aylin for being a 'dirty lesbian' and more than one said they wanted to r**e Isobel (I didn't read the entire posts, these were in the summaries and gross enough).

I have to tell you, that kind of hate, that expression of desire and disturbing behavior makes me sad for them. Angry, yeah, that people are that disgustingly gross, THAT full of hate that pixels drive them into that kind of rage. Some of you on these forums are getting close to that kind of hate. Maybe take a step back and touch grass, find the actual Jesus, talk sincerely to people who don't look like you do and don't share your sexual orientation.

This game, these characters, aren't some big woke agenda. You guys just call everything you hate, anything at ALL that isn't straight, white and male, 'woke'.

Get a new hobby. Please.

[Prinny𖤐Wesker]

Originally posted by Seagal:

ThaBut, I do agree with a lot of the complaints around those scenes and Aylin's character in general. Just feels out of place, awkward, and like it was done to check a box or something. It does a disservice to the character too in my opinion, because her introduction is fairly strong and interesting.

I wouldn't say its out of place at all for a Selunite demigod to be a lesbian. Selune and Shar's creation myth is absolutely dripping with lesbian subtext and their falling out reads like a bad breakup where Selune got the kids

Also you gotta factor in that she's mostly worshipped by women and the majority of her clergy are women so yeah. A lot of them be banging and ya'll gotta just live with it

[SoundsOfNight]

I do dislike how you don't see much of the land being reborn. That is a major bummer.

[JennyTheGhoul]

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:

I do dislike how you don't see much of the land being reborn. That is a major bummer.

Honestly, that's pretty much the only valid complaint once you get past the whining that there are lesbians ruining this game for him. Someone said it's not mentioned again but I was able to ask Halsin about it, if he's heard from his friend.

[Moffin Bovin]

Originally posted by Professor Hugedix:

Originally posted by Moffin Bovin:

i don't get what your complaint about her is.

you said she "r immediately solves everything with a magical girl transformation and angel powers"

what is it you think she solves?

Yeah, it's pretty clear you don't get it since you're trying to rebut my complaint about player agency being lessened by saying the player's decision has no impact on the story no matter what they do.

the Nightsong arc goes from me and Shart making a difficult choice that would define the rest of her life into an emotional 180 backflip as the sentient plot macguffin grows wings and turns into essentially a DMPC purpose built to fight Dr. Badguy. I had my head in my hands as she flew across the sky to the top of the tower because she perfectly symbolised the plot deflating like a balloon as all the tension escaped from it.

she immediately gets swatted and captured again after doing nothing.

You want so badly to believe that shes a "strong independent woman" character injected into media. but she literally can't do or achieve anything without the player characters' help.

Shes a damsel in distress, twice. She kind of helps out a little bit when you free her, but her help isn't that impactful.

She's written to be insignificant because the story can play out without her.

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by Moffin Bovin:

Originally posted by Professor Hugedix:

Yeah, it's pretty clear you don't get it since you're trying to rebut my complaint about player agency being lessened by saying the player's decision has no impact on the story no matter what they do.

the Nightsong arc goes from me and Shart making a difficult choice that would define the rest of her life into an emotional 180 backflip as the sentient plot macguffin grows wings and turns into essentially a DMPC purpose built to fight Dr. Badguy. I had my head in my hands as she flew across the sky to the top of the tower because she perfectly symbolised the plot deflating like a balloon as all the tension escaped from it.

she immediately gets swatted and captured again after doing nothing.

You want so badly to believe that shes a "strong independent woman" character injected into media. but she literally can't do or achieve anything without the player characters' help.

Shes a damsel in distress, twice. She kind of helps out a little bit when you free her, but help isn't that impactful.

She's written to be insignificant because the story can play out without her.

Yeah wtf are those games ?
Am i supposed to play too ? do combat and stuff ? making decisions ? pffffffffffffchhhhh i'd rather watch a movie than play a game i can tell you that much !

[timetopat]

You are telling me this game has feeeeeeeeeeeemales and is pro noun? I am going to need to get a refund right now!

Yes I had sexual relations with a squid but lesbians in a video game? Whats next, them wanting to vote? This lacks historical accuracy and is woke and will surely go broke. Gonna play some apolitical games like metal gear solid while i eat my corn nuts.

[Grumpy]

Originally posted by timetopat:

You are telling me this game has feeeeeeeeeeeemales and is pro noun? I am going to need to get a refund right now!

Yes I had sexual relations with a squid but lesbians in a video game? Whats next, them wanting to vote? This lacks historical accuracy and is woke and will surely go broke. Gonna play some apolitical games like metal gear solid while i eat my corn nuts.

I'd rather my females to all be "Quiet" if you catch my drift.