So let me get this straight

[deadlock gamer]

I get less content, less quests, less voice acting, less role-play options and less abilities by picking a non-Origin character?

[Luthien]

Essentially, yes. The problem is that no background is provided for the custom character. It can be inferred that they are Baldurian only because certain dialogue options are available. Even a simple written page with a rough biography would have been appreciated.

[Bloodcup]

the other listed characters can be recruited in-game. use the ones you want, when you want, and you can leave the others at your camp.

[Yojo0o]

I'd say the better comparison is that you get more content, more quests, more voice acting, more roleplay options, and more abilities by picking an origin character.

Origin characters are added content compared to the usual blank slate protagonists of the CRPG genre. They don't remove anything, they add things.

[Hobocop]

Not really, because there will be background, race, and class choices that will simply not be available to origin characters.

Originally posted by Luthien:

Essentially, yes. The problem is that no background is provided for the custom character. It can be inferred that they are Baldurian only because certain dialogue options are available. Even a simple written page with a rough biography would have been appreciated.

That's quite literally what Backgrounds are for.

[Luthien]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Not really, because there will be background, race, and class choices that will simply not be available to origin characters.

Originally posted by Luthien:

Essentially, yes. The problem is that no background is provided for the custom character. It can be inferred that they are Baldurian only because certain dialogue options are available. Even a simple written page with a rough biography would have been appreciated.

That's quite literally what Backgrounds are for.

I intend your past history. Where did you live, what job did you have, why did you find yourself being captured by the nautiloid, etc.

These are all things that should have repercussions in the game. Otherwise, the special interactions would be exclusive only to the Origin characters.

[WeenerTuck813]

Originally posted by Buggy Clown King Kanye Number 1:

I get less content, less quests, less voice acting, less role-play options and less abilities by picking a non-Origin character?

Less abilities? Other than Astarions “Bite”, what abilities are you getting?

And the answer would be no to most of those things, since you bring a party of them with a created character anyway.

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Luthien:

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Not really, because there will be background, race, and class choices that will simply not be available to origin characters.



That's quite literally what Backgrounds are for.

I intend your past history. Where did you live, what job did you have, why did you find yourself being captured by the nautiloid, etc.

These are all things that should have repercussions in the game. Otherwise, the special interactions would be exclusive only to the Origin characters.

You mean, like Backgrounds? And if you're Gith, you're not considered a Baldurian, either, which influences how characters react to you and what dialogue options you have available. So, there's that.

[Luthien]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Originally posted by Luthien:

I intend your past history. Where did you live, what job did you have, why did you find yourself being captured by the nautiloid, etc.

These are all things that should have repercussions in the game. Otherwise, the special interactions would be exclusive only to the Origin characters.

You mean, like Backgrounds? And if you're Gith, you're not considered a Baldurian, either, which influences how characters react to you and what dialogue options you have available. So, there's that.

Yes, I mean that. So, if you are a Gith, you won't have the dialogue options available for Baldurians. If you are any other race, it doesn't change anything at all.

Sometimes you defend the indefensible.

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Luthien:

Originally posted by Hobocop:

You mean, like Backgrounds? And if you're Gith, you're not considered a Baldurian, either, which influences how characters react to you and what dialogue options you have available. So, there's that.

Yes, I mean that. So, if you are a Gith, you won't have the dialogue options available for Baldurians. If you are any other race, it doesn't change anything at all.

Sometimes you defend the indefensible.

That remains to be seen as we don't have the full game yet. Plus, there are already race-specific reactions and dialogue for non-Gith as well.

[Luthien]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Originally posted by Luthien:

Yes, I mean that. So, if you are a Gith, you won't have the dialogue options available for Baldurians. If you are any other race, it doesn't change anything at all.

Sometimes you defend the indefensible.

That remains to be seen. Plus, there are already race-specific reactions and dialogue for non-Gith as well.

Some dialogue options that lead to no consequences. Better than nothing, but still too little.

If your main character is a Gith, is it explained why you're on the nautiloid?

[deadlock gamer]

The content ++ excuse doesn't work, Lae'zel will obviously have more content than a Gith OC. The origin system is doodoo and my main gripe with the game.

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Luthien:

Originally posted by Hobocop:

That remains to be seen. Plus, there are already race-specific reactions and dialogue for non-Gith as well.

Some dialogue options that lead to no consequences. Better than nothing, but still too little.

If your main character is a Gith, is it explained why you're on the nautiloid?

Pretty sure there's some pretty serious consequences to being perceived as Drow or a Tiefling depending on who you're talking to. And no, not every race warrants such a reaction or consequences.

Does there need to be an explanation beyond getting captured in one of their raids?

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by Buggy Clown King Kanye Number 1:

The content ++ excuse doesn't work, Lae'zel will obviously have more content than a Gith OC. The origin system is doodoo and my main gripe with the game.

So, the excuse doesn't work, but it's 100% true? I have no idea what your point is. I've never understood this complaint when I've heard it before.

Want full creative control over a personalized story? Play DnD, work with your DM. Until AI reaches a critical point of being able to curate a story for your personal OC on the fly, this is not a realistic goal of video games.

RPG protagonists are historically either blank slates, or have some version of Larian's Origin system already in place. Dragon Age had low-impact origins. If you play Mass Effect, you're playing various versions of the Shephard origin. If you play KOTOR 1, your origin character is Revan. Baldur's Gate 1-2 feature a largely silent and blank protagonist.

BG3, and DOS2 before it, give you a choice: You get to pick your preference of a blank slate protagonist like many RPGs before it, OR you get a curated personalized character story in the form of claiming one of the origin characters. That's a strong choice to have. You want the depth of an origin character, but with full creative control over that character's background, values, dialogue, contacts, etc.? Show me ANY video game that has EVER offered that.

[deadlock gamer]

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Originally posted by Buggy Clown King Kanye Number 1:

The content ++ excuse doesn't work, Lae'zel will obviously have more content than a Gith OC. The origin system is doodoo and my main gripe with the game.

So, the excuse doesn't work, but it's 100% true? I have no idea what your point is. I've never understood this complaint when I've heard it before.

Want full creative control over a personalized story? Play DnD, work with your DM. Until AI reaches a critical point of being able to curate a story for your personal OC on the fly, this is not a realistic goal of video games.

RPG protagonists are historically either blank slates, or have some version of Larian's Origin system already in place. Dragon Age had low-impact origins. If you play Mass Effect, you're playing various versions of the Shephard origin. If you play KOTOR 1, your origin character is Revan. Baldur's Gate 1-2 feature a largely silent and blank protagonist.

BG3, and DOS2 before it, give you a choice: You get to pick your preference of a blank slate protagonist like many RPGs before it, OR you get a curated personalized character story in the form of claiming one of the origin characters. That's a strong choice to have. You want the depth of an origin character, but with full creative control over that character's background, values, dialogue, contacts, etc.? Show me ANY video game that has EVER offered that.

I don't like DnD nor do I care about tabletop, I'm here cuz I like larian games, Origin characters are hogging all the content and that's not cool. I hated the DOS2 origin system and I hate it even more in BG3, compare your OC to the Red prince or Astarion, it's night and day. And the fact that this mechanic is unique to Larian is hardly a good thing, the magical/physical amrour were unique to DOS2 and it was still a terrible mechanic.

[Yojo0o]

Okay, give me an example of an RPG that executes the concept of character development in a superior way to this. Seriously.

I gave multiple examples of RPGs that provide either the equivalent of the Origin system (with usually just one character option to play, at that), or RPGs that put you in the shoes of a blank slate character. BG3 offers either the blank slate you might want to play, OR a curated personalized journey in the form of several different Origin characters to play as. At least five different Shephard/Hawke/Geralt/Du Bois/etc. options to choose from, each with their own specifically prepared connection to the world for you to explore.

You want the depth of a scripted character's story applied to your original character? Tell me how that actually works. Point me towards a game that does that.