New D&D movie pretty much F'd BG3 when it comes to Tieflings.

[zeeb]

The BG3 depiction of how Tieflings looks like were completely made non-canon by the movie which has the character Doric. Her wiki page ( https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Doric ) also states "Actually how tieflings usually look" which is located below a picture of her.

This makes the tiefling depiction in BG3 and pretty much everywhere else, which looks great imo, unfortunately non-canon (third-party).

Well, it is what it is. Even if the tieflings in BG3 are not canon anymore, I do like the look of them. The new canon version of tieflings gives me an impression of just a satyr.

[zeeb]

Nguyên văn bởi skullymex:

Don't put too much stock in canon. The source material can and should be interpreted many different ways by different people.

No it shouldn't, not if you're looking for canon/official depictions and design. But everyone is free to homebrew stuff however they please, but homebrew/third-party creations and designs are not canon and never will be until chosen to be by WotC, unfortunately.

[Hobocop]

Nguyên văn bởi dulany67:

Nguyên văn bởi cl656:

Or it was just a creative choice to appeal to a more general audience for increased profits.

This is pretty much it. Same reason why Doric or Edgin don't actually cast any spells as to not distract from Simon's role, though Edgin could just be a rogue with lute proficiency.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Nguyên văn bởi Hobocop:

Nguyên văn bởi dulany67:

This is pretty much it. Same reason why Doric or Edgin don't actually cast any spells as to not distract from Simon's role, though Edgin could just be a rogue with lute proficiency.

Except that he was clearly using Bardic Inspiration throughout the movie.

This was one of my biggest gripes with the movie - Edgin and Doric never cast any spells and Xenk only uses Lay on Hands.

[Quillithe]

Nguyên văn bởi Pan Darius Loveless:

Nguyên văn bởi Hobocop:

This is pretty much it. Same reason why Doric or Edgin don't actually cast any spells as to not distract from Simon's role, though Edgin could just be a rogue with lute proficiency.

Except that he was clearly using Bardic Inspiration throughout the movie.

This was one of my biggest gripes with the movie - Edgin and Doric never cast any spells and Xenk only uses Lay on Hands.

I think it's just that the concept of bards having magic is not a terribly widespread archetype so it'd be unfamiliar. Sometimes you get magical charming music or something, but straight-up D&D magic spells would strike audiences as 'weird'.

Honestly they maybe should have just not gone for bard, but it's more funny and good-feeling than rogue.

[Coldhands]

Didn't the tiefling companion in Neverwinter Nights 2 basically look like this gal in the movie? It's been an age since I played that game, but I seem to remember the tiefling basically being a human with slight orangish skin, tiny horns, and a little tail.

[Hobocop]

Nguyên văn bởi Quillithe:

I think it's just that the concept of bards having magic is not a terribly widespread archetype so it'd be unfamiliar. Sometimes you get magical charming music or something, but straight-up D&D magic spells would strike audiences as 'weird'.

Honestly they maybe should have just not gone for bard, but it's more funny and good-feeling than rogue.

Edgin could have just as easily been a Mastermind Rogue since he keeps coming up with all the plans.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Nguyên văn bởi Coldhands:

Didn't the tiefling companion in Neverwinter Nights 2 basically look like this gal in the movie? It's been an age since I played that game, but I seem to remember the tiefling basically being a human with slight orangish skin, tiny horns, and a little tail.

I'm pretty sure you are correct on this... I vaguely remember the same.

[Clovis Sangrail]

Nguyên văn bởi War Maiden:

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Shame on you. You almost got me. Almost. :shantae_annoy:

Nguyên văn bởi zeeb:

Nguyên văn bởi War Maiden:

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Shame on you. You almost got me. Almost. :shantae_annoy:

You do know you've put "http://(" before the actual link, right?

If OP would fix the link, it would work fine -- https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Doric

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Nguyên văn bởi Quillithe:

Nguyên văn bởi Pan Darius Loveless:

Except that he was clearly using Bardic Inspiration throughout the movie.

This was one of my biggest gripes with the movie - Edgin and Doric never cast any spells and Xenk only uses Lay on Hands.

I think it's just that the concept of bards having magic is not a terribly widespread archetype so it'd be unfamiliar. Sometimes you get magical charming music or something, but straight-up D&D magic spells would strike audiences as 'weird'.

Honestly they maybe should have just not gone for bard, but it's more funny and good-feeling than rogue.

But then it's not D&D, and there's the rub...is it a D&D movie or not? Bards, Druids, and Paladins are all spellcasters in D&D.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Nguyên văn bởi Hobocop:

Nguyên văn bởi Quillithe:

I think it's just that the concept of bards having magic is not a terribly widespread archetype so it'd be unfamiliar. Sometimes you get magical charming music or something, but straight-up D&D magic spells would strike audiences as 'weird'.

Honestly they maybe should have just not gone for bard, but it's more funny and good-feeling than rogue.

Edgin could have just as easily been a Mastermind Rogue since he keeps coming up with all the plans.

That could have made sense as well...except for the obvious Bardic Inspiration being thrown around.

[dulany67]

Nguyên văn bởi zeeb:

The movie is a representation of D&D, they do not have design freedom as you may think they do. There have obviously been WotC people collaborating with the project to ensure it's depicting D&D the correct way and however much I despise WotC, they're the ones in charge of D&D, its lore and its design.

That's not how it works though. Licensing is a partnership and collaborative (unless the relationship is toxic). WotC is not expert at making movies. There would be give and take. Sure WotC wants to protect their IP, but they also have a vested interest in the movie being successful.

Edit: the same as WotC has allowed Larian to make changes for a PC game.

[Rusted Metal]

To be totally fair, i forgot she was a Tiefling half way through the horns are small enough that blend with her hair.

i like larians version, especially with the upside-down cross belly button, which i have no clue who thought of that but that is an amazingly small detail and i love it. (even if it doesn't make sense since that is a Christianity thing)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2985463785&fileuploadsuccess=1

[Razorblade]

Tieflings are derived from human bloodlines, and in the broadest possible sense, they still look human. However, their infernal heritage has left a clear imprint on their appearance. Tieflings have large horns that take any of a variety of shapes: some have curling horns like a ram, others have straight and tall horns like a gazelle’s, and some spiral upward like an antelopes’ horns. They have thick tails, four to five feet long, which lash or coil around their legs when they get upset or nervous. Their canine teeth are sharply pointed, and their eyes are solid colors—black, red, white, silver, or gold—with no visible sclera or pupil. Their skin tones cover the full range of human coloration, but also include various shades of red. Their hair, cascading down from behind their horns, is usually dark, from black or brown to dark red, blue, or purple.
~5E Player's Handbook on Tieflings

Larian's interpretation of 5E's Tieflings is pretty much spot-on. As for canon:

Fifth edition’s canon includes every bit of lore that appears in the most up-to-date printings of the fifth edition Player’s Handbook, Monster Manual, and Dungeon Master’s Guide. Beyond these core rulebooks, we don’t have a public-facing account of what is canonical in fifth edition because we don’t want to overload our fellow creators and business partners.
~Chris Perkins, a Principal DnD Game Architect, on DnD canon (https://dnd.wizards.com/news/dnd-canon)

The only "definitive" canon that exists for 5E are the core rulebooks. Ergo, Honor Among Thieves is not an authorative source on 5E canon any more than BG3 is. Until something is written in a core rulebook, it has no bearing on DnD beyond its own self-contained story.

Of course, being picky about what lore is canon is kind of missing the point. As Chris Perkins states in the same article:
canon is less about your enjoyment of the game and more about us being internally consistent.

Tieflings have horns and tails, and pretty much all DnD media depict that. If you ran across one Tiefling in BG3 that had blue skin and actual pupils, would it affect your enjoyment of the game? Chances are, you'd still know they were a Tiefling.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Older versions of tieflings weren't always visually indentifiable as tieflings immediately and that was part of the point - discovering that they were a tiefling by noticing some subtle detail is part of how you play them.

Today's tieflings basically have bullboards screaming, "look at me, I'm a MF'ing tiefling!" so everybody knows what they are instantly.

That's the difference - the details don't matter.

[Auburn2]

Nguyên văn bởi zeeb:

The BG3 depiction of how Tieflings looks like were completely made non-canon by the movie which has the character Doric. Her wiki page (https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Doric) also states "Actually how tieflings usually look" which is located below a picture of her.

This makes the tiefling depiction in BG3 and pretty much everywhere else, which looks great imo, unfortunately non-canon (third-party).

Well, it is what it is. Even if the tieflings in BG3 are not canon anymore, I do like the look of them. The new canon version of tieflings gives me an impression of just a satyr.

The rulebooks actually state they can have hooves and wings ... and those are the real cannon.