female lolth drow wizards!?!

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

Are impossible. Read Homeland by R. A. Salvatore to understand this. Please fix this.

[Quillithe]

Escrito originalmente por Yojo0o:

Escrito originalmente por Wyrtt:

Imagine using Salvatore fanfics over official rules.

Okay, serious question: What is this assertion based on? Because I was under the impression that all DnD novels are, in fact, canon unless stated otherwise. Furthermore, I thought most Drow society canon was actually directly a result of how R.A. Salvatore characterized it in his various books, notably the Homeland trilogy.

Historically you weren't wrong, and it's true that Drow are based off R.A. Salvatore's books.

Basically I think they just didn't want to need to keep as close an eye on the books and worry about people freaking out about some difference between the books and the WotC content, so they aren't 'officially' canon any more.

[Harukage]

Escrito originalmente por KalDrax:

I assume you have never read any of the other authors in The forgotten realms such as Elaine Cunningham or her series on the daughter of Gromph
Baenre https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Daughter_of_the_Drow

Gromphs second daughter is also a wizard. His blood, arcane talent and rebellious streak run thick in them. And she is also a major character of the late Drizzt series.

[CDI Mario]

i know nothing of Dark elf society but i feel as tho Demons using arcane magic as they do would want their followers to also use Arcane magic. and in a matriarchal society i don't see why the female would be disallowed

[bldoggett]

Escrito originalmente por Tempest:

This is the best post in a while.

Yep.
Something about arguing stuff and getting super passionate about stuff that isnt real is super entertaining.

[Quillithe]

Escrito originalmente por bldoggett:

Escrito originalmente por Tempest:

This is the best post in a while.

Yep.
Something about arguing stuff and getting super passionate about stuff that isnt real is super entertaining.

Star wars fans be like "Am I a joke to you?"

[LadyofRage]

Escrito originalmente por Quillithe:

Escrito originalmente por Yojo0o:

Okay, serious question: What is this assertion based on? Because I was under the impression that all DnD novels are, in fact, canon unless stated otherwise. Furthermore, I thought most Drow society canon was actually directly a result of how R.A. Salvatore characterized it in his various books, notably the Homeland trilogy.

Historically you weren't wrong, and it's true that Drow are based off R.A. Salvatore's books.

Basically I think they just didn't want to need to keep as close an eye on the books and worry about people freaking out about some difference between the books and the WotC content, so they aren't 'officially' canon any more.

The Crystal Shard was published in 1988 (Fun fact it came out days after they were showcased in Dragon Magazine early in the year prior to the book being published). The Drow first saw mention in 1977s AD&D first edition, given stats in Fiend Folio 1981, and made playable as of 1985 via Unearthed Arcana.

What Salvatore can be correctly credited for is Menzoberranzan and further fleshing out what was already established around Drow society giving us some of the more detailed inner workings.

It is interesting that now you are fine citing historical information (wrongfully however because Salvatore based his inspiration from an already established race from D&D not the other way around) to base a thought process you agree with but in other forums as people referenced all sorts of things that were the case and referenced specifically and objectively as historical fact along with receipts, but that you don't agree with is when you take issue.

Again I do not agree with the OP here, I'm simply correcting the assertion using published material.

[Quillithe]

Escrito originalmente por LadyofRage:

Escrito originalmente por Quillithe:

Historically you weren't wrong, and it's true that Drow are based off R.A. Salvatore's books.

Basically I think they just didn't want to need to keep as close an eye on the books and worry about people freaking out about some difference between the books and the WotC content, so they aren't 'officially' canon any more.

The Crystal Shard was published in 1988. The Drow first saw mention in 1977s AD&D first edition, given stats in Fiend Folio 1981, and made playable as of 1985 via Unearthed Arcana.

What Salvatore can be correctly credited for is Menzoberranzan and further fleshing out what was already established around Drow society giving us some of the more detailed inner workings.

It is interesting that now you are fine citing historical information (wrongfully however because Salvatore based his inspiration from an already established race from D&D not the other way around) to base a thought process you agree with but in other forums as people referenced all sorts of things that were the case and referenced specifically and objectively as historical fact along with receipts, but that you don't agree with is when you take issue.

Again I do not agree with the OP here, I'm simply correcting the assertion using published material.

That's a lot of words (and what appears to be an incomprehensible complaint about me if I'm correctly parsing that wild run-on sentence) to say that yes, Drow society is largely based off R.A. Salvatore's books.

Glad we can agree on that.

[Harukage]

If you are talking R.A. Salvatore's books you must at least read the later ones. Because there you can find Yvonnel Baenre II, who is a wizard as well as a ( currently former ) cleric of Lolth.
And if you are going into other sources, there is also Liriel Baenre who played a major part in Eilistraee plot line. Also a wizard.
Both are Gromps Baenres daughters.
Can we now stop this pointless thread?

[ChentallyMallenged1]

Lolth allows females to be any profession.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

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Lolth allows females to be any profession.

NO! They must all be High Priestesses!

[Legendary Mr. Tiddles]

So matriarchy is not actually feminist?

[Tempest]

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Escrito originalmente por Tempest:

This is the best post in a while.

Yep.
Something about arguing stuff and getting super passionate about stuff that isnt real is super entertaining.

The real entertainment for me is the people responding seriously to the OPs post, which is obvious ridicule of the Male Drow Clerics of Lolth post.

Now, before someone says "Not everyone read that other post" (which is on the front page more often than not), those people get a pass. But there is more than enough cross participation to be amusing.

So little work on the OPs part, yet they have reaped a fine harvest.

In the spirit of this post:

It is obvious that Lolth would never allow a female drow to lower themselves far enough to take part in mere arcane buffoonery, much less the menial labor that is non-divinely assisted melee combat. Fighters are so...male. Ugh. No no. Female Drow are only meant for the priesthood, and must do nothing more strenuous than casting divine spells and sneering, lets they break a nail and fall out of Lolth's good graces. A good manicure is the true sign of the Spider Queen's blessing.

Now, I'm off to make a full party of Male Drow Priests of Lolth.

[Auburn2]

Escrito originalmente por Pan Darius Kairos:

Are impossible. Read Homeland by R. A. Salvatore to understand this. Please fix this.

I think you need to read more. You basically have like one novel from over 30 years ago saying there are no female Drow Wizards and well over 10 novels spanning the last 28 years saying there are, to include many by the very same author, as well as several examples in the rules and other lore.

This argument is as silly as saying there are no Dwarf Druids, or Halfling Paladins or Gnome Monks.

Novels:
Lariel Baenre was a Drow Wizard and was the main character in three novels.

The reborn Ivonnel Baenre is one of the most powerful Wizards in the world and is a female Drow and she features prominantly in about 10 Drizzt novels.

Lore:
Rai'gy Bondalek from Ched Nassad is in Breagan Deearth is a female Drow Cleric/Wizard.

House Shobalar is a minor house in in Menzobarranzan has female Wizards.

Rules:
Female Drow Wizards was actually playable back in 1E (although they could not advance as many levels as males).

[Harukage]

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The reborn Ivonnel Baenre

I would not call that reborn. The girl just got old matriarchs memories transplanted into her by a mind flayer. Ivonnel Baenre II is very different personality wise compared to an old hardcore drow matriarch.

[Auburn2]

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Escrito originalmente por Auburn2:

The reborn Ivonnel Baenre

I would not call that reborn. The girl just got old matriarchs memories transplanted into her by a mind flayer. Ivonnel Baenre II is very different personality wise compared to an old hardcore drow matriarch.

Agreed. Point stands though, she is a Wizard (or has many Wizard levels anyway)