YOUR WORST CLASS AND RACE

[larhtas]

I've seen a lot of "this kind of thread" so far where OP is asking what is your favorite class or race. That is the good threads of this community upon me. Some have shared some of their build in detail and some have increase my perception in a term of optimization.
Well this thread is not about that. This is the opposite:
WHAT IS THE WORST CLASS upon you?
WHAT IS THE WORST RACE upon you?

It's just out of curiosity. I wonder what you are never gonna try? What you are never gonna play? Even if you can increment your answer with something like "are you able to play this class/race as a recruitment" it could be a nice touch.

So i am a nice gentle one, very known in this forum for my great ability to like everything and everyone, so of course i don't have a worst class and race...
... Except for the tiefflin! (i don't even know how to write it correctly) I really really doesn't like them at all. I don't even understand how is it possible they are a playable race, i don't even know their backstory (you are welcome to teach me).

Also the alchemist is not here and that's very fine, because i don't like it neither. If there was an alchemist in this game i wouldn't recruit her. I don't like paladin, i don't like to play them, but i like to recruit one in my group (should i talk to a psychologist for this?).

I could be more specific with the subclass, but maybe for another thread.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Publicado originalmente por Lord Adorable:

Publicado originalmente por larhtas:

Interesting. I had the same way of seeing humans "before" then someone changed my opinion. I like to share what this someone told me:
- Globally he says that when you are playing in dungeon and dragon the human that you are playing is more heroïc than if you've picked something else. Because the standards of the other races in our fantasy mind is upper than what we are picturing as a place for a human in a fantasy race (not very english, i will try better).
That is true that i don't give a lot of virtues in my perception of a human in a fantasy setting but my standards for elves is quite high for example. And so on, when you are playing a human in this fantasy setting "his degree of heroism compared to the human standards is impressive" at least compared to your heroîc elf with your elven standards.
I think my friend his quite right on this (but still i don't play human, so don't tell him :D).

Personally I prefer having my monstorous characters being silly and having dumb quirks.
My favorites include a Lizardman who LOVES cheese and who adamantly refuses to do her Clerical duties without it.
Or a Kobold Paladin praying to random rocks by the wayside.

Those are called meme-characters.

[t-PointBlank-j]

Publicado originalmente por Lord Adorable:

Publicado originalmente por larhtas:

Interesting. I had the same way of seeing humans "before" then someone changed my opinion. I like to share what this someone told me:
- Globally he says that when you are playing in dungeon and dragon the human that you are playing is more heroïc than if you've picked something else. Because the standards of the other races in our fantasy mind is upper than what we are picturing as a place for a human in a fantasy race (not very english, i will try better).
That is true that i don't give a lot of virtues in my perception of a human in a fantasy setting but my standards for elves is quite high for example. And so on, when you are playing a human in this fantasy setting "his degree of heroism compared to the human standards is impressive" at least compared to your heroîc elf with your elven standards.
I think my friend his quite right on this (but still i don't play human, so don't tell him :D).

Personally I prefer having my monstorous characters being silly and having dumb quirks.
My favorites include a Lizardman who LOVES cheese and who adamantly refuses to do her Clerical duties without it.
Or a Kobold Paladin praying to random rocks by the wayside.

Lizardman who loves cheese, someones been watching Goblinslayer abridged.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

My least favorite class to play is the Barbarian, I find them uninteresting and underwhelming, although Rage and Unarmored Defense (which I'd rather get from Monk anyway) can sometimes enhance certain multiclass builds. The entire "Hulk SMASH!" trope and playstyle is just so dull and one dimensional. Show me a Barbarian with nuance and complexity and maybe I'll change my mind.

I absolutely despise the Githyanki. I don't care for their lore or their aesthetic and I think D&D could have picked a much more interesting race to overthrow the Illithid Empire. I plan to annihilate all Githyanki in the majority of my playthroughs (except the one I play as Lae'zel, and maybe even then too).

[Sonic Titan]

Publicado originalmente por Pan Darius Loveless:

My least favorite class to play is the Barbarian, I find them uninteresting and underwhelming, although Rage and Unarmored Defense (which I'd rather get from Monk anyway) can sometimes enhance certain multiclass builds. The entire "Hulk SMASH!" trope and playstyle is just so dull and one dimensional. Show me a Barbarian with nuance and complexity and maybe I'll change my mind.

Can't you have your Barbarian provide that nuance and complexity when you're playing as them in your role playing game?

[Lord Adorable]

Publicado originalmente por t-PointBlank-j:

Publicado originalmente por Lord Adorable:

Personally I prefer having my monstorous characters being silly and having dumb quirks.
My favorites include a Lizardman who LOVES cheese and who adamantly refuses to do her Clerical duties without it.
Or a Kobold Paladin praying to random rocks by the wayside.

Lizardman who loves cheese, someones been watching Goblinslayer abridged.

To be entierly honest, I wasn't even aware of that show at all, much less it's own Lizard character until a few months back and it was our DM who also pointed it out because they are an avid watcher of all things anime, wheras I avoid it like the plague.
Elfen Lied did terrible things to me when I was a teenager and I swore to stay away from anime since.

[Meowella]

Worst race is Halfling.
Worst class is Druid.

In BG3 a lot of the roleplay functionality of racial choice is thrown out the window, meaning your racial choice is for their stats, and to a minor extent your fun. Because of this, halfling suffers from adding to Dex but having no bonus cantrip or skills, or ability to see in the dark - this means there is less of a reason to play as a halfling in BG3 than being an elf (or half elf). People will still play as halflings, but those same people could also only play the game with their noses to create artificial difficulty.

As for Druidism, I enjoy tabletop druids because of the roleplaying aesthetic they can add, but in BG3 you can't go offscript as easily as you can in tabletop, so the real strength of them (wild shape) will be heavily neutered into a more strictly combat aethos).

So essentially the only reason 'worst' is created because it's a video game that has heavy limits on how much you can roleplay, since there's no human controlling things with the option to adapt on the fly.

[Maitrepof]

Publicado originalmente por Meowella:

Worst class is Druid.

My eyes bleed :)

as for utility of wild form sure you can't beat what you can do in tabletop, you got the cat to use as distraction, the badger and the dire raven for movement (fly and burrow), spider can jump high and web the ground so you can jump down with less damage, cat can also enter small space. It's not perfect but it got quite some utility outside of combat.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Publicado originalmente por Meowella:

Worst race is Halfling.
Worst class is Druid.

In BG3 a lot of the roleplay functionality of racial choice is thrown out the window, meaning your racial choice is for their stats, and to a minor extent your fun. Because of this, halfling suffers from adding to Dex but having no bonus cantrip or skills, or ability to see in the dark - this means there is less of a reason to play as a halfling in BG3 than being an elf (or half elf). People will still play as halflings, but those same people could also only play the game with their noses to create artificial difficulty.

As for Druidism, I enjoy tabletop druids because of the roleplaying aesthetic they can add, but in BG3 you can't go offscript as easily as you can in tabletop, so the real strength of them (wild shape) will be heavily neutered into a more strictly combat aethos).

So essentially the only reason 'worst' is created because it's a video game that has heavy limits on how much you can roleplay, since there's no human controlling things with the option to adapt on the fly.

People mostly play halfdinks for the Lucky feature, it's great for crit-fishers. Halfling Champ/Paladin crit-fishing Divine Smiters to be precise.

Druids are amazing, even in BG3.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Publicado originalmente por Maitrepof:

Publicado originalmente por Meowella:

Worst class is Druid.

My eyes bleed :)

as for utility of wild form sure you can't beat what you can do in tabletop, you got the cat to use as distraction, the badger and the dire raven for movement (fly and burrow), spider can jump high and web the ground so you can jump down with less damage, cat can also enter small space. It's not perfect but it got quite some utility outside of combat.

In BG3 the Moon Druid is my favorite caster Druid because I can lay down some AoE, such as Call Lightning, and then shift into Raven form the same turn for higher AC and Blindness attacks. A Hasted Druid utilizing the Wet condition and Call Lightning is a wrecking ball. I would even call it 'broken'.

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

w0rst class is cleric because I am an atheist irl. Just don't feel right being religious in the game.
Worst race is dwarf. I'll never in my life play as a dwarf.

[IgnatiusJ.Reilly]

The worst class and race combo is the human wizard. Anything that combo can do can be done better with another race and class combo.

[Tempest]

I don't really have a class I dislike, because I think they can all bring something to the game. As for races, I have a definite bias against halflings and gnomes. Nothing against people who enjoy them, and we have one in my current tabletop group, they just don't appeal to me.

Publicado originalmente por Pan Darius Kairos:

w0rst class is cleric because I am an atheist irl. Just don't feel right being religious in the game.
Worst race is dwarf. I'll never in my life play as a dwarf.

This is an interesting perspective, which I respect. I feel the opposite. I'm also an atheist, but playing a cleric in D&D or Pathfinder makes perfect sense to me because their deities are demonstrably real, present, and active in day to day life.

[Farsha]

My guess would be that weakest class is Ranger in basic Dnd 5e in PHB.
All martial classes are better fighters and all casters are better casters than that class.
Also all other hybrids are better, like paladin.
If you want great archer go fighter, if you want animals go Druid.

Race, that is harder. Thx to racial bonuses each can be used to compliment specific class or build. and then there is personal preference in race for roleplaying,
I don't care for theiflings, but in general they are one of the most popular race choices in all of DnD.

[larhtas]

Publicado originalmente por Farsha:

My guess would be that weakest class is Ranger in basic Dnd 5e in PHB.
All martial classes are better fighters and all casters are better casters than that class.
Also all other hybrids are better, like paladin.
If you want great archer go fighter, if you want animals go Druid.

There is a very special ranger recruitable waiting for us on release (minsc). If available would you recruit him in your playing team?

Publicado originalmente por Farsha:

... I don't care for theiflings, but in general they are one of the most popular race choices in all of DnD.

When i started D&D it was the end of the second edition. At this time tieflings were monsters that you could fight during your adventures. On 3rd edition they were not available by default (with the core books) and were pretty absent from my games.
In D&D4 they show up, along with the Eladrin and dragonborn. I was so centered into the "basic old races" i didn't invest myself into those ones. So after some time i went for an Eladrin... Which wasn't kept in D&D5 core books... :/

[WeenerTuck813]

Depends on if you mean aesthetics or functionality, or a combination.

Functionally, Humans are the worst race (unless variety human is added)

Functionally, I think the worst class is Wizard (for BG3 so far)

Aesthetics? Worst is Gnome or Dwarf, worst is Fighter (bland)