So is it just bad luck?

[Martyrofsand]

Been trying to figure this one out, but I've rolled a couple of chars since picking up this game including a paladin that I built to be a tank who is mostly still at the early part of the game, with the druids, and he's sporting around 20AC. He gets hit by damn near everything. I mean I'm glad he gets focused but with a 20AC I figured it would be harder for enemies to land hits on him.

Mean while I run around with another char, a wizard, with an apparently game breaking 13AC and she seems to never get hit when targeted. I don't even use spells like mage armor, or the triple illusion spell because she just doesn't ever really take damage.

Is it just some insane luck for my wizard, vs bad luck for my paladin causing this or am I missing something?

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by dolby:

every single time soemone asks that, like why would that be a problem it supposedly helps new players not punish them...

It isn't supposed to help new players. It's supposed to placate all the people with biased recognition of the RNG by forcing balanced rolls with minimal streaks. Which of course means sometimes you will be doomed to roll poorly because you've been rolling too well lately, and vice versa.

[dolby]

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

Originally posted by dolby:

every single time soemone asks that, like why would that be a problem it supposedly helps new players not punish them...

It isn't supposed to help new players. It's supposed to placate all the people with biased recognition of the RNG by forcing balanced rolls with minimal streaks. Which of course means sometimes you will be doomed to roll poorly because you've been rolling too well lately, and vice versa.

no they changed it and made it go into players favor of course cos no one would use it otherwise. And people have a hard time with randomness already so adding karmic dice made people just more paranoid. WHy would larain make a future like that makes no sense. And i bet they were constantly tweaking it (that's why it was on by defoult so they get more data)and no one had and clue when and if they changed it..

[ExcaliburV]

Originally posted by dolby:

no they changed it and made it go into players favor of course cos no one would use it otherwise

Oh? Well, if they did I certainly wouldn't know.

[dolby]

Originally posted by ExcaliburV:

Originally posted by dolby:

no they changed it and made it go into players favor of course cos no one would use it otherwise

Oh? Well, if they did I certainly wouldn't know.

yeah i think Swen said it in one of the panels anyway people are paranoid when it comes to this kinds of things...

The less you think about it the better the game feels to me at least.

but yeah sure people can always turn it off. If it makes you feel better...

i did it as well noramlly i always forget to turn it off but one time i did get this funny feeling. When i crited few times in a row not sure how many times it was but it was a lot and the game is too easy as is. THere are posts out there that say karmic dice mean you get liek gazillion more damage if that's true it would be the new hard mode l apparently one guy recorded 2k of rolls if you belive him... talk about paranoid.

[haasi]

Originally posted by KeepCleaving:

Hadn't been asked but.. Are you in a wildshape when you're being hit a lot?

https://giphy.com/gifs/perfect-loops-ftegeAlQ32zFLEKjrk

classic case of the karmic dice, or could just be bad luck who actually knows what passes for rng when it comes to the dice's programming

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by dolby:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Is karmic dice on?

every single time soemone asks that, like why would that be a problem it supposedly helps new players not punish them...

Kind of depends on the streak that activated the change for the dice rolls. For the people that prefer it, they're welcome to it and I wish them well as a result. I remember the threads where people were saying the rng was rigged against them, which is what created the karmic dice in the first place.

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by dolby:

every single time soemone asks that, like why would that be a problem it supposedly helps new players not punish them...

Kind of depends on the streak that activated the change for the dice rolls. For the people that prefer it, they're welcome to it and I wish them well as a result. I remember the threads where people were saying the rng was rigged against them, which is what created the karmic dice in the first place.

The issue I have with the bad streaks, which is based on the luck of the roll, rather then the skill of the char, is it takes luck as a major factor. Not saying it should never happen, but 3 times in a roll? Such as a melee char, with high armor rating and other damage reducing factors, should offset any 3 times in a roll crit rolls from a enemy. Or as a min, should be very, very rare.

As is stands now, you can easily see some situations the dice appear to be rigged. :p Ether in favor of the player or against them.

Turning on Karmic dice did help some with those unlucky streaks from my experience. But it's not perfect by any means.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Kind of depends on the streak that activated the change for the dice rolls. For the people that prefer it, they're welcome to it and I wish them well as a result. I remember the threads where people were saying the rng was rigged against them, which is what created the karmic dice in the first place.

The issue I have with the bad streaks, which is based on the luck of the roll, rather then the skill of the char, is it takes luck as a major factor. Not saying it should never happen, but 3 times in a roll? Such as a melee char, with high armor rating and other damage reducing factors, should offset any 3 times in a roll crit rolls from a enemy. Or as a min, should be very, very rare.

As is stands now, you can easily see some situations the dice appear to be rigged. :p Ether in favor of the player or against them.

Turning on Karmic dice did help some with those unlucky streaks from my experience. But it's not perfect by any means.

True, it also stops the lucky streaks.

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by wtiger27:

The issue I have with the bad streaks, which is based on the luck of the roll, rather then the skill of the char, is it takes luck as a major factor. Not saying it should never happen, but 3 times in a roll? Such as a melee char, with high armor rating and other damage reducing factors, should offset any 3 times in a roll crit rolls from a enemy. Or as a min, should be very, very rare.

As is stands now, you can easily see some situations the dice appear to be rigged. :p Ether in favor of the player or against them.

Turning on Karmic dice did help some with those unlucky streaks from my experience. But it's not perfect by any means.

True, it also stops the lucky streaks.

Sounds like it is working as intended. I hate luck playing such a big factor in a game. Even tho, with Karmic dice on, I have not noticed a reduction in lucky streaks. But certainly a reduction of unlucky streaks. Enough I will keep it on, unless they change it for the worse.

I would rather have good lucky streaks any day then bad lucky streaks. lol

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

True, it also stops the lucky streaks.

Sounds like it is working as intended. I hate luck playing such a big factor in a game. Even tho, with Karmic dice on, I have not noticed a reduction in lucky streaks. But certainly a reduction of unlucky streaks. Enough I will keep it on, unless they change it for the worse.

I would rather have good lucky streaks any day then bad lucky streaks. lol

Suppisedly it's weighted in the player's flavor.

[Lord Adorable]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Sounds like it is working as intended. I hate luck playing such a big factor in a game. Even tho, with Karmic dice on, I have not noticed a reduction in lucky streaks. But certainly a reduction of unlucky streaks. Enough I will keep it on, unless they change it for the worse.

I would rather have good lucky streaks any day then bad lucky streaks. lol

Suppisedly it's weighted in the player's flavor.

My Paladin's 8 attempts at passing the check when entering Auntie's swamp WITH ADVANTAGE would like to have a word with you.

[Ranxerox]

There was a pretty in depth analysis over on the official Larian forum that found there were some weakness in the BG3 RNG system. If I recall correctly the bottom line was with or without Karmic dice there tended to be more "streaks" both good and bad than would normally be expected.

[Ronin Gamer]

Originally posted by Ranxerox:

There was a pretty in depth analysis over on the official Larian forum that found there were some weakness in the BG3 RNG system. If I recall correctly the bottom line was with or without Karmic dice there tended to be more "streaks" both good and bad than would normally be expected.

Hope they had evidence to back that up, because random chance can cause anything to potentially happen, even if it's rather hard to believe, when you have this many people who have played the game.
I try not to believe people just saying things unless they have some genuine evidence they can use to back up said claims. Even people who THINK they are correct sometimes have no idea what they are talking about.

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by Lord Adorable:

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Suppisedly it's weighted in the player's flavor.

My Paladin's 8 attempts at passing the check when entering Auntie's swamp WITH ADVANTAGE would like to have a word with you.

In her Teahouse or on the road before there?

[Mosey]

The game gives you a plethora of options to attack people with no to-hit rolls. Maybe use those if you really hate rolling dice unless you win.

Karmic Dice should be left off for at least one pretty good reason: it nerfs your skill rolls.

There are a ton of DC15+ checks in the game, and if you have Karmic Dice on it will tend towards the average I.E. 10 meaning you will just about never pass a more difficult check in enough inspiration points for it to matter.

Perversely, the people who want to easymode the combat end up getting railed out of combat and not in a fun way.