i just learned dnd is removing half-elves and half-orcs

[D-Black Catto]

https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/04/04/dungeons-dragons-to-remove-half-species-from-players-handbook-claims-entire-the-entire-idea-is-inherently-racist/

and im just happy baldurs gate 3 comes out before this insanity kicks in. imagine a world without jaheira!

edit: apparently they are just reworking the half system to make any race being able to be a half. pretty cool tbh

[Beastman666]

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April's Fool ?

Unfortunately not.

They are also changing a monk's ki points to spirit points.....because apparently the word "ki" is problematic.

O...k....its getting ridiculous. Guess I'm getting too old for this ♥♥♥♥...

[D-Black Catto]

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https://boundingintocomics.com/2023/04/04/dungeons-dragons-to-remove-half-species-from-players-handbook-claims-entire-the-entire-idea-is-inherently-racist/

and im just happy baldurs gate 3 comes out before this insanity kicks in. imagine a world without jaheira!

edit: apparently they are just reworking the half system to make any race being able to be a half. pretty cool tbh

A fine example of why you should read and understand before you knee jerk so hard you lose some of your teeth.

I didn't lose anything tho, I just made a thread that generated 3 pages already and I learned something new without having to actually read the article or google search the topic myself

win, in my book

[Dragon Master]

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Unfortunately not.

They are also changing a monk's ki points to spirit points.....because apparently the word "ki" is problematic.

O...k....its getting ridiculous. Guess I'm getting too old for this ♥♥♥♥...

Yeah, WotC have become a joke of a company. I and my D&D groups are moving to Pathfinder.

[dulany67]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63ju4GTZbVg

So, at 11:15 or thereabouts it is apparently officially confirmed that half-orcs and half-elves are being removed from the PHB.

Not exactly. Apparently, they will not be in the new PHB. However, both races will still be available on D&D Beyond and the 2014 PHB will still be available.

Crawford did say they were uncomfortable with half races which is momsensical.

[Dragon Master]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63ju4GTZbVg

So, at 11:15 or thereabouts it is apparently officially confirmed that half-orcs and half-elves are being removed from the PHB.

Not exactly. Apparently, they will not be in the new PHB. However, both races will still be available on D&D Beyond and the 2014 PHB will still be available.

Crawford did say they were uncomfortable half races.

Not sure why they are uncomfortable. As races, they just exist.

[Beastman666]

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O...k....its getting ridiculous. Guess I'm getting too old for this ♥♥♥♥...

Yeah, WotC have become a joke of a company. I and my D&D groups are moving to Pathfinder.

*thumbsup* Stopped playing D&D with 3.5 and then switched to Pathfinder (1st Edition back then), though I did read thorugh 4th and 5th edition corerules.

[dulany67]

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Not sure why they are uncomfortable. As races, they just exist.

My guess is they will want you to select either human or elf and then allow you to take the opposite parent as a background. Why this would be better or less problematic- well I guess I wouldn't agree with that anyway.

[Metallicus]

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Yeah, WotC have become a joke of a company. I and my D&D groups are moving to Pathfinder.

*thumbsup* Stop playing D&D with 3.5 and then switched to Pathfinder (1st Edition then), though I did read thorugh 4th and 5th edition corerules.

While my groups have tried other game systems, we always come back to Pathfinder 1st edition. It has the best DnD feel to us.

[Dragon Master]

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Not sure why they are uncomfortable. As races, they just exist.

My guess is they will want you to select either human or elf and then allow you to take the opposite parent as a background. Why this would be better or less problematic- well I guess I wouldn't agree with that anyway.

Ah well, WotC will do as WotC does. At this point I'm just watching what happens. It's not like WotC has any goodwill left after the constant debacles they've gotten involved in over the years. They have burnt a lot of bridges with the community.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

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Frankly I don't believe half stuff should exist because they are SPECIES, not races, and the best way to make people who don't go to SCHOOL understand the diference is making them not able to breed.

It's high fantasy, not taxonomy.

[Moifaso]

What a mess of a thread...

If anyone is actually wondering what the new rules for half-breeds are, here you go:


CHILDREN OF DIFFERENT HUMANOID KINDS

Thanks to the magical workings of the multiverse, Humanoids of different kinds sometimes have children together. For example, folk who have a human parent and an orc or an elf parent are particularly common. Many other combinations are possible. If you’d like to play the child of such a wondrous pairing, choose two Race options that are Humanoid to represent your parents. Then determine which of those Race options provides your game traits: Size, Speed, and special traits. You can then mix and match visual characteristics—color, ear shape, and the like—of the two options. For example, if your character has a halfling and a gnome parent, you might choose Halfling for your game traits and then decide that your character has the pointed ears that are characteristic of a gnome. Finally, determine the average of the two options’ Life Span traits to figure out how long your character might live. For example, a child of a halfling and a gnome has an average life span of 288 years

[Insanitor]

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Frankly I don't believe half stuff should exist because they are SPECIES, not races, and the best way to make people who don't go to SCHOOL understand the diference is making them not able to breed.

But mixing species is a thing? Ever heard of a Mule?

[Cirrus]

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What a mess of a thread...

If anyone is actually wondering what the new rules for half-breeds are, here you go:


CHILDREN OF DIFFERENT HUMANOID KINDS

Thanks to the magical workings of the multiverse, Humanoids of different kinds sometimes have children together. For example, folk who have a human parent and an orc or an elf parent are particularly common. Many other combinations are possible. If you’d like to play the child of such a wondrous pairing, choose two Race options that are Humanoid to represent your parents. Then determine which of those Race options provides your game traits: Size, Speed, and special traits. You can then mix and match visual characteristics—color, ear shape, and the like—of the two options. For example, if your character has a halfling and a gnome parent, you might choose Halfling for your game traits and then decide that your character has the pointed ears that are characteristic of a gnome. Finally, determine the average of the two options’ Life Span traits to figure out how long your character might live. For example, a child of a halfling and a gnome has an average life span of 288 years

Is this not like really old news? That text is from onednd playtests? Is this thread fussing about change that was tested already half year ago or so?

[Dragon Master]

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What a mess of a thread...

If anyone is actually wondering what the new rules for half-breeds are, here you go:


CHILDREN OF DIFFERENT HUMANOID KINDS

Thanks to the magical workings of the multiverse, Humanoids of different kinds sometimes have children together. For example, folk who have a human parent and an orc or an elf parent are particularly common. Many other combinations are possible. If you’d like to play the child of such a wondrous pairing, choose two Race options that are Humanoid to represent your parents. Then determine which of those Race options provides your game traits: Size, Speed, and special traits. You can then mix and match visual characteristics—color, ear shape, and the like—of the two options. For example, if your character has a halfling and a gnome parent, you might choose Halfling for your game traits and then decide that your character has the pointed ears that are characteristic of a gnome. Finally, determine the average of the two options’ Life Span traits to figure out how long your character might live. For example, a child of a halfling and a gnome has an average life span of 288 years

Is this not like really old news? That text is from onednd playtests? Is this thread fussing about change that was tested already half year ago or so?

Yes and no.

What is new is WotC announcing that they are officially removing half-elf and half-orc from the PHB in 2024 and the content creator summit that just happened basically says the reason for it is because the sensitivity readers at WotC have determined that half-races as a playable race with their own unique features and traits is inherently racist.

[Hobocop]

It's entirely possible that they're going to be reworked and put under a different name.

At the very least, I hope they take some pointers from the implementation in PF2e, which I like a lot more than how it has typically been done because it allows you to combine traits from other paired ancestries besides the de facto human.