"evil" run should get warning for new players

[45ay3asdasd]

like how larian suggested new players to not do dark urge, i think there should be a warning for those doing an "evil" run

evil run being supporting the goblins in act 1, supporting the moonrise absolute in act 2, Supporting the emperor against the Gith, etc

not even counting the unique questlines, doing an evil run locks you out of 5 companions and 9 unique romances -

Companions you lose - Wyl, Karlach, jaheera, minsc, halsin
Romances you lose - Wyl, Karlach, minsc, shadowheart (poly), halsin, Mizora, Viconia

meanwhile if you go 'evil' you lose all of the above and your only compensation is a chance to get minthara but ONLY if you switch sides in act 2 which goes against the 'evil' playthrough, if you stick to evil play you dont even get her.

therefore i think there should be a warning that this type of playthrough is not suggested for first time plays, because if this is the only run people end up doing in bg3 before moving on to other games they'll think the game is a lot more boring than it could have been

[45ay3asdasd]

Originally posted by <balmung>:

My first Playthrough was evil, i did all of the above and had Wyll, Jaheira and Minsc (also Boo) in my party. So your statement is false.
Also, a false statement is that the Emperor is a bad guy, he is no more evil than Giths themselves. If you'd explore the secret area with a dragon, you'd find out that Emperor was actually a good guy, or rather neutrally aligned. He is only guilty of accepting becoming an Illithid rather than unaliving himself, as everyone expects of those who are infected. Also, Emperor is *drum roll* Balduran who has built this city in the past. He is also the only reason why the Baldur's Gate didn't become enslaved by Elderbrain So i personally fail to see how the Emperor can be "evil".

it is impossible for you to do an evil playthrough and have wyl and jaheira, they are basically contradictions of an evil playthrough. act 1 goblins win = wyl leaves, act 2 side with moonrise = jaheira dies..how could you be evil and have them?

[Giganx]

It does sound like evil playthroughs are FAR less developed than good, which is a shame. Like there isn't good and evil content; there's just good content and the option to miss out on all of it by being evil.

[Banelord]

Originally posted by Fauxes:

like how larian suggested new players to not do dark urge, i think there should be a warning for those doing an "evil" run

evil run being supporting the goblins in act 1, supporting the moonrise absolute in act 2, Supporting the emperor against the Gith, etc

not even counting the unique questlines, doing an evil run locks you out of 5 companions and 9 unique romances -

Companions you lose - Wyl, Karlach, jaheera, minsc, halsin
Romances you lose - Wyl, Karlach, minsc, shadowheart (poly), halsin, Mizora, Viconia

meanwhile if you go 'evil' you lose all of the above and your only compensation is a chance to get minthara but ONLY if you switch sides in act 2 which goes against the 'evil' playthrough, if you stick to evil play you dont even get her.

therefore i think there should be a warning that this type of playthrough is not suggested for first time plays, because if this is the only run people end up doing in bg3 before moving on to other games they'll think the game is a lot more boring than it could have been

i have just done the evil playthrough.

wyll is boring and a diversity hire lets be honest

karlachs modern speech pierces ym ears and brains, i killed her and took her head, no loss there

jaheira and minsc gotta be the dumbest written chars of them all

and no, you do NOT lose shadowheart in any way.

what troubles me the most in the evil playthrough is not the loss of good companions and quests (you can do a godo play the second time anyway) but the inability to play a TRUE evil, an organized evil, and become the Champion of Bane, the greatest evil god ever was and ever will be in Ferun. you only get to play Bhaals Chosen, aka toxic jerk and a murder hobo that Bhaal is.

Bhaal is overrepresented in BG series - lets give the Dark Lord BANE some love in the future!

[Rylock]

Originally posted by Fauxes:

Originally posted by Konomi☆Nanasaki:

Why would you even include that for evil?

dont want to spoil it for you but the Emperor is the bad guy in this game, so supporting him is part of the evil play

Hes not the Bad guy as in end boss. He is just a bad person among many.

[Notch]

Originally posted by Metallicus:

I also lost Gale as he decided to leave as well. It is not as much fun to play evil and only gain Minthara and lose everyone else. Plus, for me being evil is really hard as I prefer either a good or neutral playthrough to being evil.

You can solve this issue by not playing evil.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Giganx:

It does sound like evil playthroughs are FAR less developed than good, which is a shame. Like there isn't good and evil content; there's just good content and the option to miss out on all of it by being evil.

That's pretty standard for the series - compared to the evil options in past games this looks pretty well-developed.

Also I'd argue that repeatedly trying to side with the people trying to mind control you is maybe more 'dumb' than 'evil' anyway.

[balmung]

Originally posted by Fauxes:

Originally posted by <balmung>:

My first Playthrough was evil, i did all of the above and had Wyll, Jaheira and Minsc (also Boo) in my party. So your statement is false.
Also, a false statement is that the Emperor is a bad guy, he is no more evil than Giths themselves. If you'd explore the secret area with a dragon, you'd find out that Emperor was actually a good guy, or rather neutrally aligned. He is only guilty of accepting becoming an Illithid rather than unaliving himself, as everyone expects of those who are infected. Also, Emperor is *drum roll* Balduran who has built this city in the past. He is also the only reason why the Baldur's Gate didn't become enslaved by Elderbrain So i personally fail to see how the Emperor can be "evil".

it is impossible for you to do an evil playthrough and have wyl and jaheira, they are basically contradictions of an evil playthrough. act 1 goblins win = wyl leaves, act 2 side with moonrise = jaheira dies..how could you be evil and have them?

I literally did both, lol ! And none of them left me.
I spoke to Wyll and even though he was angry, i managed to become friends with him before that happened, so i could convince him to stay.
I sided with the kidnappers of Priestess of Selune, then i killed everyone, both good and the bad guys, then i told Jaheira something like " idk wtf just happened, but i am most certainly, absolutely, just 100%, have no idea what is happening and why they came here for *sweating* and she believed me.
*Edited* Apology, i am a dumb ass, i mixed Wyll with Gale, me brain failed me.

[balmung]

Originally posted by Ismael Clowndova:

Originally posted by Fauxes:

like how larian suggested new players to not do dark urge, i think there should be a warning for those doing an "evil" run

evil run being supporting the goblins in act 1, supporting the moonrise absolute in act 2, Supporting the emperor against the Gith, etc

not even counting the unique questlines, doing an evil run locks you out of 5 companions and 9 unique romances -

Companions you lose - Wyl, Karlach, jaheera, minsc, halsin
Romances you lose - Wyl, Karlach, minsc, shadowheart (poly), halsin, Mizora, Viconia

meanwhile if you go 'evil' you lose all of the above and your only compensation is a chance to get minthara but ONLY if you switch sides in act 2 which goes against the 'evil' playthrough, if you stick to evil play you dont even get her.

therefore i think there should be a warning that this type of playthrough is not suggested for first time plays, because if this is the only run people end up doing in bg3 before moving on to other games they'll think the game is a lot more boring than it could have been

i have just done the evil playthrough.

wyll is boring and a diversity hire lets be honest

karlachs modern speech pierces ym ears and brains, i killed her and took her head, no loss there

jaheira and minsc gotta be the dumbest written chars of them all

and no, you do NOT lose shadowheart in any way.

what troubles me the most in the evil playthrough is not the loss of good companions and quests (you can do a godo play the second time anyway) but the inability to play a TRUE evil, an organized evil, and become the Champion of Bane, the greatest evil god ever was and ever will be in Ferun. you only get to play Bhaals Chosen, aka toxic jerk and a murder hobo that Bhaal is.

Bhaal is overrepresented in BG series - lets give the Dark Lord BANE some love in the future!

It would be very cool if the deity you worship could become your patron and affect the story

[Banelord]

Originally posted by <balmung>:

Originally posted by Ismael Clowndova:

i have just done the evil playthrough.

wyll is boring and a diversity hire lets be honest

karlachs modern speech pierces ym ears and brains, i killed her and took her head, no loss there

jaheira and minsc gotta be the dumbest written chars of them all

and no, you do NOT lose shadowheart in any way.

what troubles me the most in the evil playthrough is not the loss of good companions and quests (you can do a godo play the second time anyway) but the inability to play a TRUE evil, an organized evil, and become the Champion of Bane, the greatest evil god ever was and ever will be in Ferun. you only get to play Bhaals Chosen, aka toxic jerk and a murder hobo that Bhaal is.

Bhaal is overrepresented in BG series - lets give the Dark Lord BANE some love in the future!

It would be very cool if the deity you worship could become your patron and affect the story

spolier - by using Dead speak on dead Gortashs body, i got into communication with Bane himself! I believe this was a feature that they planned to remove but they didnt because it had no voice-ovcer. Lord Bane then told me that Gortahs was a weakling anyway, and to become his Chosen, i needed to dominate the brain and take control of it. but that was it during teh entire game. shame.

[balmung]

Originally posted by Ismael Clowndova:

Originally posted by <balmung>:

It would be very cool if the deity you worship could become your patron and affect the story

spolier - by using Dead speak on dead Gortashs body, i got into communication with Bane himself! I believe this was a feature that they planned to remove but they didnt because it had no voice-ovcer. Lord Bane then told me that Gortahs was a weakling anyway, and to become his Chosen, i needed to dominate the brain and take control of it. but that was it during teh entire game. shame.

I deliberately avoided Speaking to Animals and Dead on my first playthrough, so that i had some interesting stuff that could still surprise me. Keeping Speak to dead spell for my 3rd playthrough, but i'm glad it spices up the game.

[Ranpo]

Does this gen needs to be hand held every step of the way?

[Occasum_Solis]

Originally posted by Fauxes:

like how larian suggested new players to not do dark urge, i think there should be a warning for those doing an "evil" run

evil run being supporting the goblins in act 1, supporting the moonrise absolute in act 2, Supporting the emperor against the Gith, etc

not even counting the unique questlines, doing an evil run locks you out of 5 companions and 9 unique romances -

Companions you lose - Wyl, Karlach, jaheera, minsc, halsin
Romances you lose - Wyl, Karlach, minsc, shadowheart (poly), halsin, Mizora, Viconia

meanwhile if you go 'evil' you lose all of the above and your only compensation is a chance to get minthara but ONLY if you switch sides in act 2 which goes against the 'evil' playthrough, if you stick to evil play you dont even get her.

therefore i think there should be a warning that this type of playthrough is not suggested for first time plays, because if this is the only run people end up doing in bg3 before moving on to other games they'll think the game is a lot more boring than it could have been

*you get Minthara that is still bugged and has no content IG

[sick duck]

My first was dark urge. It attracted to me because of the clear inspiration it took from BG1 and 2, and I managed a happy mostly non-evil game that way.

[45ay3asdasd]

Originally posted by Ismael Clowndova:

Originally posted by Fauxes:

like how larian suggested new players to not do dark urge, i think there should be a warning for those doing an "evil" run

evil run being supporting the goblins in act 1, supporting the moonrise absolute in act 2, Supporting the emperor against the Gith, etc

not even counting the unique questlines, doing an evil run locks you out of 5 companions and 9 unique romances -

Companions you lose - Wyl, Karlach, jaheera, minsc, halsin
Romances you lose - Wyl, Karlach, minsc, shadowheart (poly), halsin, Mizora, Viconia

meanwhile if you go 'evil' you lose all of the above and your only compensation is a chance to get minthara but ONLY if you switch sides in act 2 which goes against the 'evil' playthrough, if you stick to evil play you dont even get her.

therefore i think there should be a warning that this type of playthrough is not suggested for first time plays, because if this is the only run people end up doing in bg3 before moving on to other games they'll think the game is a lot more boring than it could have been

i have just done the evil playthrough.

wyll is boring and a diversity hire lets be honest

karlachs modern speech pierces ym ears and brains, i killed her and took her head, no loss there

jaheira and minsc gotta be the dumbest written chars of them all

and no, you do NOT lose shadowheart in any way.

what troubles me the most in the evil playthrough is not the loss of good companions and quests (you can do a godo play the second time anyway) but the inability to play a TRUE evil, an organized evil, and become the Champion of Bane, the greatest evil god ever was and ever will be in Ferun. you only get to play Bhaals Chosen, aka toxic jerk and a murder hobo that Bhaal is.

Bhaal is overrepresented in BG series - lets give the Dark Lord BANE some love in the future!

are you trolling? if you go evil route (siding with absolutists) you kill nightsong and lose access to shadowhearts romance. are you thinking that killing nightsong is a GOOD route? because it surely isnt..

[Ranpo]

Originally posted by Fauxes:

Originally posted by Ismael Clowndova:

i have just done the evil playthrough.

wyll is boring and a diversity hire lets be honest

karlachs modern speech pierces ym ears and brains, i killed her and took her head, no loss there

jaheira and minsc gotta be the dumbest written chars of them all

and no, you do NOT lose shadowheart in any way.

what troubles me the most in the evil playthrough is not the loss of good companions and quests (you can do a godo play the second time anyway) but the inability to play a TRUE evil, an organized evil, and become the Champion of Bane, the greatest evil god ever was and ever will be in Ferun. you only get to play Bhaals Chosen, aka toxic jerk and a murder hobo that Bhaal is.

Bhaal is overrepresented in BG series - lets give the Dark Lord BANE some love in the future!

are you trolling? if you go evil route (siding with absolutists) you kill nightsong and lose access to shadowhearts romance. are you thinking that killing nightsong is a GOOD route? because it surely isnt..

False, you can screw her when she becomes the Dark Lady's chosen. In fact she takes the reigns.