Can you save Sazza while siding with thieflings?

[cbbbbbbb]

I've heard a lot of different answers here and I'm not sure if it's possible or not now, would much appreciate if someone could tell me they both kept Sazza alive till Moonrise but also saved the thieflings.

[Draco T]

Probably not. She tries to have you killed by Minthara after you helped her escape. lol. Minthara threatened to have her eaten by spiders when Minthara realized you were a "true soul." When you attack Minthara because you refuse her quest, and want side with the Tieflings, Sazza attacks you too. Go figure. She dies with the rest of the bunch. No worries.

[Edstyles]

Cant u tell minthara where the grove is and then double cross her? Believe this is a legit way to leave Sazza alive.

[DrMcCoy]

I convinced Minthara to let Sazza live when she betrays me. She then leaves.

I found her with High Priestess Gut, where she turned hostile when I killed Gut. I didn't think about that that time, but maybe Sazza will live if you deal non-lethal damage to her there?

[lawjax]

Yes, actually. Sazza will even give you an enchanted dagger for having done so. How I accomplished this was as follows: liberated Sazza from captivity in the grove, took the secret passage to get her out of dodge, and once outside she informed me she would put in a good word about me with her goblin superiors.

Fast forward to the goblin camp - I reunited with Sazza, who talked my way into their ruin encampment, and she leads me directly to Minthara. Minthara greets her with the intention of feeding her to her spiders after discerning (incorrectly) that I am a fellow "True Soul" and there are several dialogue options where I can address this, one of which presents itself as "I tried explaining things to her, but she was too stupid to understand" - I personally recommend this choice as everyone in my party had approved of this line at the time.

Sazza begs for her life, but to no avail. Minthara immediately begins talking about how I will aid her in slaughtering the denizens of the grove. We reach the point in our dialogue where you have to make a choice: aid her in taking the grove or attack her. If you attack her and kill everyone in proximity, all of the goblins inside the main portion of the building included, a reward prompt ends up popping up about Sazza's gratitude for having been saved.

I was unable to find her afterwards but it seems that on paper it is entirely possible to save her from her fate of being eaten by the spiders.

[Raggle Fraggles]

Originally posted by Edstyles:

Cant u tell minthara where the grove is and then double cross her? Believe this is a legit way to leave Sazza alive.

Actually, yeah. This is the only way for Sazza AND the teiflings to make it into act 2 so you can still get achievemetns for keeping all tieflings and saving Sazza in both runs.

Sazza is going to tell Minthara where the Grove is regardless, so 'commit' to the raid, then when Minthara and her gobs (not Sazza, she leaves by this point) show up, attack Minthara instead.

[Uncle Brandon]

Just remember... the only good goblin is a dead goblin!

[Jimmy]

Originally posted by Draco T:

Probably not. She tries to have you killed by Minthara after you helped her escape. lol. Minthara threatened to have her eaten by spiders when Minthara realized you were a "true soul." When you attack Minthara because you refuse her quest, and want side with the Tieflings, Sazza attacks you too. Go figure. She dies with the rest of the bunch. No worries.

You can pretend to work with Minthara and then bait them all into besieging the grove

[Draco T]

Makes sense, but I just wanted to kill her and get Halsin out. She was the last of the 3 for me:) I ended up annihilating every goblin there.

[MewTressym]

Originally posted by lawjax:

Yes, actually. Sazza will even give you an enchanted dagger for having done so. How I accomplished this was as follows: liberated Sazza from captivity in the grove, took the secret passage to get her out of dodge, and once outside she informed me she would put in a good word about me with her goblin superiors.

Fast forward to the goblin camp - I reunited with Sazza, who talked my way into their ruin encampment, and she leads me directly to Minthara. Minthara greets her with the intention of feeding her to her spiders after discerning (incorrectly) that I am a fellow "True Soul" and there are several dialogue options where I can address this, one of which presents itself as "I tried explaining things to her, but she was too stupid to understand" - I personally recommend this choice as everyone in my party had approved of this line at the time.

Sazza begs for her life, but to no avail. Minthara immediately begins talking about how I will aid her in slaughtering the denizens of the grove. We reach the point in our dialogue where you have to make a choice: aid her in taking the grove or attack her. If you attack her and kill everyone in proximity, all of the goblins inside the main portion of the building included, a reward prompt ends up popping up about Sazza's gratitude for having been saved.

I was unable to find her afterwards but it seems that on paper it is entirely possible to save her from her fate of being eaten by the spiders.

As long as Sazza is alive you will can run in to her again twice more later in the story. Even if you do wipe out all of the goblins you can knock Sazza and Minthara out while slaying the rest and they'll appear later on in the story with redemption arcs, sort of.

[Fringehunter7719]

You don't need to kill all the goblins to side with the Tieflings, just the leaders. The rest of the goblins only become hostile when you kill Dror Ragzlin or set off the alarm.

If you kill Gut before Ragzlin then you can just ignore the main chamber goblins - where Sazza returns to if you instruct Minthara to spare her, which you will need to do. There's another route in through the upper level so you still have free run of the place.

You can interrupt the conversation with Minthara after completing the Sazza part but before triggering the grove raid if you like as well, for example by switching to another companion while in dialogue and shoving your own speaking party member out of range, or committing a crime like destroying the warning drum that will get Sazza to give you a warning and leave the conversation.

[cbbbbbbb]

Originally posted by MewTressym:

Originally posted by lawjax:

Yes, actually. Sazza will even give you an enchanted dagger for having done so. How I accomplished this was as follows: liberated Sazza from captivity in the grove, took the secret passage to get her out of dodge, and once outside she informed me she would put in a good word about me with her goblin superiors.

Fast forward to the goblin camp - I reunited with Sazza, who talked my way into their ruin encampment, and she leads me directly to Minthara. Minthara greets her with the intention of feeding her to her spiders after discerning (incorrectly) that I am a fellow "True Soul" and there are several dialogue options where I can address this, one of which presents itself as "I tried explaining things to her, but she was too stupid to understand" - I personally recommend this choice as everyone in my party had approved of this line at the time.

Sazza begs for her life, but to no avail. Minthara immediately begins talking about how I will aid her in slaughtering the denizens of the grove. We reach the point in our dialogue where you have to make a choice: aid her in taking the grove or attack her. If you attack her and kill everyone in proximity, all of the goblins inside the main portion of the building included, a reward prompt ends up popping up about Sazza's gratitude for having been saved.

I was unable to find her afterwards but it seems that on paper it is entirely possible to save her from her fate of being eaten by the spiders.

As long as Sazza is alive you will can run in to her again twice more later in the story. Even if you do wipe out all of the goblins you can knock Sazza and Minthara out while slaying the rest and they'll appear later on in the story with redemption arcs, sort of.

You can knock Minthara out and she'll reappear even if you side with the thieflings? First I've heard of that I've got to say. But cool if true.

[MewTressym]

Originally posted by cb:

Originally posted by MewTressym:

As long as Sazza is alive you will can run in to her again twice more later in the story. Even if you do wipe out all of the goblins you can knock Sazza and Minthara out while slaying the rest and they'll appear later on in the story with redemption arcs, sort of.

You can knock Minthara out and she'll reappear even if you side with the thieflings? First I've heard of that I've got to say. But cool if true.

Yeah, in the "passives" option you can enable non-lethal mellee and just knock some enemies out. For story purposes in that specific story it counts as them being "defeated", Halsin recognizes Minthara as such. It does break Minthara and Sazza's AI in act 1 but in the later acts they appear like normal. Essentially letting you spare both Sazza and Minthara.

[cbbbbbbb]

Originally posted by MewTressym:

Originally posted by cb:

You can knock Minthara out and she'll reappear even if you side with the thieflings? First I've heard of that I've got to say. But cool if true.

Yeah, in the "passives" option you can enable non-lethal mellee and just knock some enemies out. For story purposes in that specific story it counts as them being "defeated", Halsin recognizes Minthara as such. It does break Minthara and Sazza's AI in act 1 but in the later acts they appear like normal. Essentially letting you spare both Sazza and Minthara.

Right, I was under the assumption knocking = dead as far as game logic goes, but cool that it has some function for Minthara.

[FhqwhTODD]

No matter the outcome the moment you clear the Goblin camp she dies with the rest.

[CharlotteCS]

Yes you can help her get out of prison and she helps you entering the goblin camp. Though, her fate after that is pretty much set in stone.