Is dual wielding ranger good?

[Atty]

I picked Ranger with the ranger knight kit and now at level 2 I picked two-weapon style and hunter's mark. Is dual wielding ranger strong or should I reroll while it's still early?

[Volatility]

I was skeptical about ranger, but I felt that at the higher levels in Act 3 mine was quite good. I don't remember the build other than I took Heavy Armor. I prefer it to my time playing with bard and rogue. I'm not min/maxing, but that's my perception anyway.

[Broan]

Dual wielding melee looks and feels cool and it will not be worse than fighting with 2h weapons in early game (like level 1-5/6) but you will deal quite more damage with 2h weapons in the later game stage.

1st because you can attack with the bonus action anyway with your 2h weapon with the feat great weapon mastery on a kill/crit, which will happen frequently and the attack there will always deal more damage than a one handed attack
2nd because there are more amazing 2h Weapons than really great 1h Weapons, either you have good base damage but no great effects/features on your 1h weapon, or you have amazing effects but a lower base damage(because daggers)

But you can and will be fine dual wielding in melee, it will work too.
in the End its up to your Preferance.

[Edstyles]

Also the arrows in bg3 make it even better to be ranged. That arrows that hits several targets is just insane.

[etimos2014]

dual wielding with some high dex or items and feats are absolutely viable. Heck astarion was respec'd as a wizard with max dex and an item to boost his int to 17 makes him a murder machine with melee and spells

[Agony_Aunt]

Origineel geplaatst door Pan Darius Loveless:

Two weapon fighting in D&D is weaker no matter what class is using it.

Depends on the level of magic in the world, and BG3 is pretty high magic.

Plain numbers then yes, two-handed will win the number crunch, but as the magic bonuses start to stack up, the balance starts to tip towards TWF.

Also depends on what feats are available, but we can only consider the feats that are in BG3 in this instance.

By Act 3, my dual wielding sword bard was often outdamaging Lazael who was using two-handed. If my bard was a fighter instead, i think he would have been quite hugely outdamaging Lazael.

[CorwynCorey]

Ranger Knight ...so

Origineel geplaatst door Atty:

I picked Ranger with the ranger knight kit

He obviously went for Heavy armour... wtf are you people all talking about Dex builds? Dex really isn't an issue here.
They are a whomp&stomp builder. STR/CON, two-weap
style.....

Dual-wield feat is a gimme in that case.

[Edstyles]

Origineel geplaatst door CorwynCorey:

Ranger Knight ...so

Origineel geplaatst door Atty:

I picked Ranger with the ranger knight kit

He obviously went for Heavy armour... wtf are you people all talking about Dex builds? Dex really isn't an issue here.
They are a whomp&stomp builder. STR/CON, two-weap
style.....

Dual-wield feat is a gimme in that case.

he actually said it himself that he went for 17 dex and 16 wisdom which is obviously super overkill

[Solvem Probler]

"Good" doesn't matter because the game is too easy anyway.

That said, ranger is not a great class and dual wielding is not as efficient as great weapon fighting.

[Atty]

Origineel geplaatst door Edstyles:

Origineel geplaatst door CorwynCorey:

Ranger Knight ...so



He obviously went for Heavy armour... wtf are you people all talking about Dex builds? Dex really isn't an issue here.
They are a whomp&stomp builder. STR/CON, two-weap
style.....

Dual-wield feat is a gimme in that case.

he actually said it himself that he went for 17 dex and 16 wisdom which is obviously super overkill

So dual wielding with those stats will be good? If I'm not satisfied I can always respec everything right?

[Mork]

Its better to have 16 in your main stat unless you plan to use the Hag Hair.

As for WIS, 14 is more than enough for a ranger


STR 8-12
DEX 16 -> 18 -> 20
CON 14
INT 8-10
WIS 14
CHA 8-12 (Having some persuasion on the the mc is useful)

[MrQuincy]

Origineel geplaatst door Atty:

I picked Ranger with the ranger knight kit and now at level 2 I picked two-weapon style and hunter's mark. Is dual wielding ranger strong or should I reroll while it's still early?

No - it's not strong. Sadly, 5E D&D makes duel wielding melee weapons relatively weak (compared to 2 handers).

BG3 is on the easy side so you can get away with it with the right setups. But you'll notice how pathetic it is once you respec and test out a good 2h weapon build.

[765]

I see no reason not to go DW with ranger, but I think you are confused about how things are set up.

Two Weapon Fighting uses your STR, which means you will want high STR, which makes sense with heavy armor because then you don't need DEX for AC.

So as long as you focus on STR over DEX it's fine.
Also consider the Dual Wielder feat as that lets you dual wield even bigger weapons such as longswords.

[CorwynCorey]

Origineel geplaatst door MrQuincy:

Origineel geplaatst door Atty:

No - it's not strong. Sadly, 5E D&D makes duel wielding melee weapons relatively weak (compared to 2 handers).

Not true
Two attacks vs 3. More if you add in some rogue(thief) into that mix for more bonus actions. Each that has procs for additional damage per hit beyond the weapon.

But let us assume pure ranger.
1 from Attack Action
1 from extra attack, triggered by attack action
1 from bonus action.
=3 attacks

3d8 + 2(proc 1)+1(proc2) all under whatever effects and bonuses the weapon also gives to stats, plus any relevant skills/feats
vs
4d6 + 2(proc1)
or
2d12 + 2(proc2)

So what matters then is simple... what procs. and what bonuses. The numbers are close enough to be irrelevant. As was intended by 5e for balance.

What bonuses and extras you get for the Magical Stuffs(tm) balances out as well. That many think "Dual wield is weak cause each hit makes smaller numbers) really dont pay much attention.

Why many complain is that they use a crapton of Haste... which adds in another action type attack... NOT a bonus action. If you are planning on using haste a lot, Action attacks are key. If not..irrelevant.

[CorwynCorey]

Origineel geplaatst door 765:

I see no reason not to go DW with ranger, but I think you are confused about how things are set up.

Two Weapon Fighting uses your STR, which means you will want high STR, which makes sense with heavy armor because then you don't need DEX for AC.

So as long as you focus on STR over DEX it's fine.
Also consider the Dual Wielder feat as that lets you dual wield even bigger weapons such as longswords.

two weapon uses your attacks and bonus action attacks... using whatever weapons you are holding. Which means Dex if they are finesse (and yes, there are some longswords that use finesse as well), and your Dex is higher than your Str.

Str is only used if it is a) higher and or b) the weapon is not a finesse weapon

[CHAO$$$]

Origineel geplaatst door Atty:

Origineel geplaatst door Edstyles:

depends are you going for dual wield no matter what? are you going dex only?

I built 17 dex and 16 wisdom to keep concentration for hunter's mark

concentration rolls against constitution btw