Help with bard magical secrets explanation please

[SpudCakes]

So I decided to make a bard all my points in charisma for strong spellcasting but at level 6 they get magical secrets where you can learn spells from other classes, not like in the feat menu when you can learn one and it specifically says what stat it uses for spellcasting and so I'm a bit confused, do spells learnt from magical secrets all use charisma regardless of what class they are from? If this is the case, what happens if you put a level into wizard and learn scrolls, would that be charisma too?

[Agony_Aunt]

Guessing here, but they should use CHA for spellcasting. However, dipping into Wizard and learning scrolls they would be counted as Wizard spells, and you'd not see them in the Bard list (or at least you shouldn't, unless you can get them through magical secrets as well, then you'd have 2 versions of the same spell, castable from the relevant slots).

Give it a test, report back!

[CorwynCorey]

Any spell you cast using a Bard slot uses the Charisma stat.
Any spell you cast using a cleric slot uses the Wisdom stat.
Any spell you cast using a wizard slot uses the Intelligence stat....

There must be a pattern here somewhere...

[Morgian]

All you get as a bard uses CHA. If you pick up Spell Sniper and choose EB, it works off CHA. If a wizard picks it, it runs off INT (and if he is an evoker, like mine, he also gets the INT bonus to damage at level 10).

When you cast wizard spells - using te wizard slots - you use INT for them. If you use scrolls directly, I don't know what will be used.

[The1Kobra]

Basically, how magical secrets on a bard works is you add 2 spells to your 'bard' spellbook, but those spells are from their own list, mostly made up of spells from other classes that are NOT in the bard spellbook. So you can as a bard, cast fireball, spirit guardians, or other spells.
All bards get 2 picks of magical secrets at L10, but the College of Lore gets 2 picks of magical secrets at L6 too.

[Kernest]

Just out of curiosity, what spells did people playing Bards pick for Magical Secrets?

I went with Fireball and Hex (yes, Hex!) for my CoS Bard.

[Moffin Bovin]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kernest:

Just out of curiosity, what spells did people playing Bards pick for Magical Secrets?

I went with Fireball and Hex (yes, Hex!) for my CoS Bard.

lightning bolt and haste. because water makes it twice as good as fireball.

[jsaving]

Ordinarily you would pick counterspell as your first choice and then either haste, spirit guardians, or a fireball-like AoE as your second choice depending on the role you're wanting to play. Fine to take call lightning, lightning bolt, or hunger of Hadar as your AoE if you're not a fireball fan.

But there's no need for you to play the same way other people do. If you'd rather take spiritual weapon and armor of Agathys, go for it! Best wishes and good luck as you make your way through the game.

[CorwynCorey]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kernest:

Just out of curiosity, what spells did people playing Bards pick for Magical Secrets?

Counterspell and Fireball

(edit)
Also Counterspell and Lightning Bolt

Also Counterspell and Spirit Guardians

[Agony_Aunt]

Haste and Spirit Guardians for my Sword Bard.

Run into the middle of enemies and lay about as the enemies take both radiant (or necrotic) and weapon damage.

[Kernest]

Hmm...

The amount of Counterspell suggestions makes me think maybe I shouldn't have picked Fireball and chosen Counterspell instead...

I chose Hex specifically because my Sword Bard has trouble using up all her spell slots before everyone else needs to long rest, as it's a good use for level 1 slots while still letting me do what I want, melee.

[Agony_Aunt]

Counterspell is always a solid choice.