shadowheart sucks. change my mind.

[lemon-lime]

Her damage is less than mediocre with a legendary weapon, heals are ♥♥♥♥. her buffs aren't worth much either. Hope is a way better healer...

[Clovis Sangrail]

Originally posted by lemon-lime:

shadowheart sucks. change my mind.

Change your mind? Why should I care what you think?

Do you really think you are that important?

[Bloodwest]

Originally posted by lailaamell95:

Try tempest

One of the most powerful multiclasses? Nah, casters are too complicated. Let OP get another fighter for their squad.

[Killer Beast 77]

Originally posted by lemon-lime:

Her damage is less than mediocre with a legendary weapon, heals are ♥♥♥♥. her buffs aren't worth much either. Hope is a way better healer...

he is the best tank in the game and he can protect you very good

[✙205🍉🐆→]

An uninteresting character
Just like Karlach, Druid, Minsk, Jaheira and Toad
Wyll – left me

[cocafire]

Planar Ally, Guardian of Faith, Spiritual Weapons, Mirror Image and Spirit Guardians can be deployed all at the same time as only Spirit Guardians is Concentration dependent... She basically can lock a spot in the arena, you can't move her.

With Glyph of Warding she can yeet people and simply damage a group of enemies from a distance.

She can get out of trouble with Sanctuary and get others out of trouble with it as well. It uses a bonus action. She can cast Sanctuary on a downed ally and then revive him so he will get through his turn without an Action alive.

I dunno what game you guys are playing, I see a lot of talk of multiple attacks per turn... That's great for lesser encounters/mid game.

Late game though, standing in front of an opponent and trying to beat them in a battle to see who can hit harder can turn out really bad, really quickly. You will get swarmed, or simply overpowered by enemies who are simply above your level cap.

Also, she's pretty and tilts her head when she's passionate about what she's saying.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by cocafire:

Planar Ally, Guardian of Faith, Spiritual Weapons, Mirror Image and Spirit Guardians can be deployed all at the same time as only Spirit Guardians is Concentration dependent... She basically can lock a spot in the arena, you can't move her.

With Glyph of Warding she can yeet people and simply damage a group of enemies from a distance.

She can get out of trouble with Sanctuary and get others out of trouble with it as well. It uses a bonus action. She can cast Sanctuary on a downed ally and then revive him so he will get through his turn without an Action alive.

I dunno what game you guys are playing, I see a lot of talk of multiple attacks per turn... That's great for lesser encounters/mid game.

Late game though, standing in front of an opponent and trying to beat them in a battle to see who can hit harder can turn out really bad, really quickly. You will get swarmed, or simply overpowered by enemies who are simply above your level cap.

Also, she's pretty and tilts her head when she's passionate about what she's saying.

Man I wish glyph of warding allowed more options but I get why it doesn't.

In tabletop, my cleric made a glyph of warding sprinkler system in our base, by having the glyphs cast create water upon contact with fire.

[Killer Beast 77]

Originally posted by lemon-lime:

Originally posted by Warmonger:

She's a tank - easy to build high AC, high wisdom saves and concentration buffs. I usually just place her in a middle of mobs with Spirit Guardians on. Also, I have a gear getting synergy with radiant damage and close combat.

Tank my ass. my Ley'zel has a natural 172 HP... now thats a tank...

tanks protect you don't just protect themselves whit a huge hp bar if you have a tank most enemy will attack the weakest party member in terms of defense / sorcerer , wizard , rogue for sure / and the they will gang on your leyzel
btw if you have a lot of hp is only helpful if you have the worst tank which gets hit every single time my shadowheart has 123hp 23 Armour 95% most enemy miss and when they hit they barely do any dmg also she can cast warding bound giving all those shielded a huge increase for types all dmg and takes half the dmg you gonna receive not just slashing bludgeoning the typical that fighters have if you look at your fights you gonna see that no party members can go down if you know who to use shadowheart

[DragonSoundxSG]

She's a cool character but her default class is garbo. Who needs a Trickster Cleric?!

[Irrésistible]

Her boobies are nice.

[Killer Beast 77]

Originally posted by Lanilen:

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

Shadow heart is a cleric and as such, as in all D&D style cRPGs, she is the single strongest character overall in the game.

In the specific case of BG3, the single strongest character is a Sorcerer with Power Word: Yeet (a.k.a., Thunderwave). There's precious few encounters where you can't yeet the problems away into a chasm, and with quickened spell you can do it twice (thrice if you're hasted).

i see a true giga Storm sorcerer like my but i use lighting lvl 6 spell whit elemental adept lighting feat prety op if you have the strongest staff in the game infinite castinf lvl 6 spells of a element until long rest no to mention the arcane battery bonus to use double shatter lvl 6 in a turn

[jonnin]

Almost all the default stat allocations and choices are bad.
Shadowheart has a number of woes:
- her racial cantrip is off her low int. If you give her the hat, that at least lands and starts doing 2d10 at 5.
- her dex is too low to use a bow well
- her str is too low to use a weapon well
- her cleric domain is mostly useless
- unless you have another healer, you cant use a lot of combat spells either (I am a low magic player though, as I rest infrequently).

clerics may be an amazing class but this edition really cracked down hard on the pseudofighter cleric build because no extra attacks, no heavy armor by default (some domains but not all), and such. Heavy armor is a small loss but it opens up the low dex allocation.

so ... what then? There are few options left if you want her to help damage things. She can be your toy character, throwing grenades, shooting special arrows, blowing up barrels, reading scrolls,... the game gives out so much of this stuff you can keep 1 character fighting with this stuff and she is a great candidate for it.

option 2 is to have several healers split that job and use her combat spells more.

But the easier thing to do is re-roll her.

[Killer Beast 77]

Originally posted by Scheneighnay:

Originally posted by Fringehunter7719:

Larian really screw Trickery hard when converting from the tabletop ruleset. Most of the greatest benefits just didn't get carried over from 5th edition rules at all.

Two of Trickery's domain spells (disguise self and seeming) are made totally redundant by the pre-order item that gives you unlimited disguise self on the whole party. Though the spells aren't really all that useful in Larian's interpretation anyway, despite being really good in freeform play when infiltrating or deceiving.

Probably the strongest and most iconic domain spell in tabletop is polymorph, which is absolutely gutted out by Larian, with its friendly usage (probably the most powerful and versatile spell in all of 5th edition) completely removed and its hostile use hollowed out to a bare minimum short duration single usage case.

Invoke duplicity lacks its creative uses and can't be used to deliver spells.

Pass without trace is made drastically less useful by the introduction of the ability to never need to pass stealth checks that the vision cones and turn based movement introduces. Again, it just doesn't translate well.

Disguises definitely need a buff.

I walked into the city with everyone in disguise in case the flaming fists or the cultists were looking for me, which they were, and everyone knew who I was anyway.

i know but i think is story based if you mean baldurs gate since i tried the same but orin knowed already who i has in rivington , same for gosthar if you go inside the city in baldurs gate you gonna get a cutscene even if you sneak in by the prison or use invisibility

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Agreed she's the least effective outside of any of the hard hitting priest spells

[Malus]

Originally posted by lemon-lime:

Her damage is less than mediocre with a legendary weapon, heals are ♥♥♥♥. her buffs aren't worth much either. Hope is a way better healer...

Respec to Light cleric and redo attributes. She is awesome.

Withers will do all that for only 100G

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by jonnin:

Almost all the default stat allocations and choices are bad.
Shadowheart has a number of woes:
- her racial cantrip is off her low int. If you give her the hat, that at least lands and starts doing 2d10 at 5.
- her dex is too low to use a bow well
- her str is too low to use a weapon well
- her cleric domain is mostly useless
- unless you have another healer, you cant use a lot of combat spells either (I am a low magic player though, as I rest infrequently).

clerics may be an amazing class but this edition really cracked down hard on the pseudofighter cleric build because no extra attacks, no heavy armor by default (some domains but not all), and such. Heavy armor is a small loss but it opens up the low dex allocation.

so ... what then? There are few options left if you want her to help damage things. She can be your toy character, throwing grenades, shooting special arrows, blowing up barrels, reading scrolls,... the game gives out so much of this stuff you can keep 1 character fighting with this stuff and she is a great candidate for it.

option 2 is to have several healers split that job and use her combat spells more.

But the easier thing to do is re-roll her.

I think aside from Shart and Wyll everyone just has the first subclass option available by default.

Wyll's stats are god-awful though, nothing but odd numbers.