shadowheart sucks. change my mind.

[lemon-lime]

Her damage is less than mediocre with a legendary weapon, heals are ♥♥♥♥. her buffs aren't worth much either. Hope is a way better healer...

[Ruralilula]

Originally posted by lemon-lime:

Originally posted by Warmonger:

She's a tank - easy to build high AC, high wisdom saves and concentration buffs. I usually just place her in a middle of mobs with Spirit Guardians on. Also, I have a gear getting synergy with radiant damage and close combat.

Tank my ass. my Ley'zel has a natural 172 HP... now thats a tank...

You dont't really need that much health tbh my shadowheart is really good she has about 30 ac plenty of buff and almost full resistant to everything im using light domain btw and im pretty much tanking everything, if you are using the trickster domain than yes i think the class suffer more if you are using it as a tank

[Fringehunter7719]

I respecced her to light domain (not really thematic, but eh, whatever) and never looked back. Fantastic channel divinity for early game and gets some neat explod-ey spells at levels 3 and 5.

[Lord Adorable]

Her Domain sucks but that's it. All the other ones are great.
As a person however, there is no fixing her. Kill her and replace her with someone else to fill the Cleric role.

[Ichthyic]

have her quaff a potion of cloud giant strength. voila. now she does great damage. I mean... assuming you don't want to use her for spells, since she's a cleric.

[Scheneighnay]

Trickery domain is the worst cleric domain.
Doesn't help that its bread and butter, invoke duplicity, is bugged.

Give her light domain and she's OP.
That's why Shar is jealous of selune

[Gregorovitch]

Shadow heart is a cleric and as such, as in all D&D style cRPGs, she is the single strongest character overall in the game. She's like Durance in PoE - indispensable.

* she's tanky as all hell
* she's got Bless, Spiritual weapon, Guardian Spirits, Guiding Bolt, many many more
* She can get the rest of your team off their miserable arses and back in the fight
* she can laugh in the face of skellies and zombies
* she can even whack 'em over the head with her mace occasionally if push comes to shove
* she can fix up people hit with perma curses and diseases and such after the fight
* she can stop them freaking out to fear inducing effects etc.

Shadowheart sucks? You are surely having a laugh.

Only thing I would say is that the Trickster subclass she comes with is probably the least effective one. I'd say she's a prime candidate for an early visit to Withers.

[Doomvora]

That's not shadowheart being bad that's her subclass being bad, trickery domain is hot garbage, just respec her to literally anything but that and she'll be fine.

[lailaamell]

Try tempest

[Scheneighnay]

I think I only made good use of the trickery domain twice.

1. Casting invoke duplicity to stall the horde of enemies chasing us while we got to a better position

2. Casting pass without a trace to sneak up moonrise towers with one less big fight

[Lanilen]

Originally posted by Gregorovitch:

Shadow heart is a cleric and as such, as in all D&D style cRPGs, she is the single strongest character overall in the game.

In the specific case of BG3, the single strongest character is a Sorcerer with Power Word: Yeet (a.k.a., Thunderwave). There's precious few encounters where you can't yeet the problems away into a chasm, and with quickened spell you can do it twice (thrice if you're hasted).

[Fringehunter7719]

Larian really screw Trickery hard when converting from the tabletop ruleset. Most of the greatest benefits just didn't get carried over from 5th edition rules at all.

Two of Trickery's domain spells (disguise self and seeming) are made totally redundant by the pre-order item that gives you unlimited disguise self on the whole party. Though the spells aren't really all that useful in Larian's interpretation anyway, despite being really good in freeform play when infiltrating or deceiving.

Probably the strongest and most iconic domain spell in tabletop is polymorph, which is absolutely gutted out by Larian, with its friendly usage (probably the most powerful and versatile spell in all of 5th edition) completely removed and its hostile use hollowed out to a bare minimum short duration single usage case.

Invoke duplicity lacks its creative uses and can't be used to deliver spells.

Pass without trace is made drastically less useful by the introduction of the ability to never need to pass stealth checks that the vision cones and turn based movement introduces. Again, it just doesn't translate well.

[Goose]

Spirit guardians go brrrr

[Edstyles]

Originally posted by lemon-lime:

Her damage is less than mediocre with a legendary weapon, heals are ♥♥♥♥. her buffs aren't worth much either. Hope is a way better healer...

u suck :D its true trickery is meh but just respec its not like u have to be trickery since any cleric subclass will do. I think alot of people dont know how to play a cleric ull notice her being very nice to have on harder to hit bosses with spirit guardians and guardiant of faith these 2 spells alone can win you the boss fight cause every1 else keeps missing not to mention u bless every1 by just heals and blade ward with items ofc then u have the illuminating orb effect that can be op with certain items.

Another particularly good items i like on her is the mace of lathendar or whatever his name is. This mace will blind any fiends undead etc. YOu have any idea how strong this is? it has no saves so they get instant blind while near enemies and alot of the enemies in this game are undead / fiend? xD . So all your meele chars or ranged get advantage.
You might say why not just give it to some1 else that does more damage? absolutely not. ITs a support item and a very good 1 at that.

There is also the staff of mystras blessing i think its called. Very strong early game for them strong blesses.

[Scheneighnay]

Originally posted by Fringehunter7719:

Larian really screw Trickery hard when converting from the tabletop ruleset. Most of the greatest benefits just didn't get carried over from 5th edition rules at all.

Two of Trickery's domain spells (disguise self and seeming) are made totally redundant by the pre-order item that gives you unlimited disguise self on the whole party. Though the spells aren't really all that useful in Larian's interpretation anyway, despite being really good in freeform play when infiltrating or deceiving.

Probably the strongest and most iconic domain spell in tabletop is polymorph, which is absolutely gutted out by Larian, with its friendly usage (probably the most powerful and versatile spell in all of 5th edition) completely removed and its hostile use hollowed out to a bare minimum short duration single usage case.

Invoke duplicity lacks its creative uses and can't be used to deliver spells.

Pass without trace is made drastically less useful by the introduction of the ability to never need to pass stealth checks that the vision cones and turn based movement introduces. Again, it just doesn't translate well.

Disguises definitely need a buff.

I walked into the city with everyone in disguise in case the flaming fists or the cultists were looking for me, which they were, and everyone knew who I was anyway.

[Ackranome]

Respec to Light. Solved.