Can you really say this is better than DOS's Action Point system?

[Dah]

Dunno maybe its just me, but the 5e / combat system is a downgrade. Everything about the game is incredible, but the combat just feels bad.

[Fluff]

For those who don't know, in DoS 2 without mods your action points were used both for atttacking or casting spell or moving. So most of the fights you didn't want to move at all since that would cost Action Points, which is very stupid by itself.

And different spells costed different amount of action points. So you just used the least balanced ones and not the most smartest in the exact moment and location.

[Kafik]

Yes. Next question.

[Jimmy]

You don't get it. This isn't about quality or one of them being superior. This is about licensing, WOTC lent the license to Larian on their terms, which is using the D&D 5e ruleset. They had no say about any of it.
For what it's worth, I do think DoS2 was better, I enjoyed the AP pooling

[Forblaze]

Origineel geplaatst door Jimmy:

WOTC lent the license to Larian on their terms, which is using the D&D 5e ruleset. They had no say about any of it.

It's definitely not that black and white. There's plenty of homebrew in BG3.

[Drake]

AD&D 2E has something resembling action points. The thing was ditched because it was bothersome to use on tabletop, in favor of the movement/action system of DnD 3E.

Do remember that at its core, a tabletop rpg system is meant to use on tabletop, with just dice and sheets. So it has to be quick to use, so that turns don't take forever.

D:OS 2 is a video game first, so you can afford more complex action systems.

That said, there are other systems with action points on tabletop. Pathfinder 2E is very popular at the moment, you get 3 actions per turn (attack costs one, moving costs one, spells and abilities between 1 and 3, usually 2, there are also quick actions, reactions and free actions), and it works fine.

Origineel geplaatst door Forblaze:

Origineel geplaatst door Jimmy:

WOTC lent the license to Larian on their terms, which is using the D&D 5e ruleset. They had no say about any of it.

It's definitely not that black and white. There's plenty of homebrew in BG3.

There is a difference between homebrewing and changing the core of the system completely.

[David Fifield]

Origineel geplaatst door Starwight/ttv:

Origineel geplaatst door Forblaze:

Yeah, I don't think the DnD system is actually very good. It's less noticeable in an actual tabletop environment where it's more about interacting with other people, but it becomes really noticeable when implemented in a video game.

Then don't play DnD based games? Why do you have to complain about a game that was designed for a specific crowd, when you are obviously not that crowd.

That would be like me going to a Call of Duty forum and crying because I don't like fast paced shooting in my games and saying "Well, I don't think shooters are actually that good, everyone, so this game SUCKKKCCCKCCCCKKKSSSSS"

It's easier to move on than it is to take time and post something so ridiculous.

I think a lot of people don't like the 5e system as you can see by people the like older versions of the game. 5e has the most limited character building,world building and combat of the versions. It's the CoD of D&D.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

The action point system sucked.

You know how you win fights in OS2? You turn invisible, start the fight with one character, turn him invisible, then you bank points for one round.

Next round you unload all those saved points and just nuke everything into dust while moving as little as possible.

That's a terrible system.

[Aria Athena]

I like action point systems in general, but DOS2 suffers from a serious lack of balance, a different kind than BG3 does. Midway through the game, you can use like 10 skills in round one and end any fight right there and then. Good luck balancing that ♥♥♥♥.

[Fluff]

Origineel geplaatst door Jake:

I think a lot of people don't like the 5e system

1000 from 1,000,000? Uber nerds that play the game for anything except fun?

A lot of people like D&D 5e and want it to be improved in several ways into D&D 6e. But they like it much more than Pathfinder 3 and older D&D systems. More complexity - yes please, aadd it to D&D 6e. But artificially overcomplicated mess presented by sheer quantity but not quality and as result poor balance? No thank you, we have that in Pathfinder

[Forblaze]

Origineel geplaatst door Starwight/ttv:

Then don't play DnD based games? Why do you have to complain about a game that was designed for a specific crowd, when you are obviously not that crowd.

That would be like me going to a Call of Duty forum and crying because I don't like fast paced shooting in my games and saying "Well, I don't think shooters are actually that good, everyone, so this game SUCKKKCCCKCCCCKKKSSSSS"

It's easier to move on than it is to take time and post something so ridiculous.

I possess a unique trait among humanity that allows me to enjoy something as a whole while simultaneously disliking certain aspects of it. It allows me to make criticisms of things that I like, such as Baldur's Gate 3, without thinking it sucks.

[Yaldabaoth]

No, 5e's system is terrible and that fact is well known to people who actually played some different systems. On every table that is playing 5e, you will find some homebrew rule or another that "fixes" combat in some way to make it more fun.

[Bonzi]

DOS1/2 are overrated, theyre good games but not goat like some people say. Bg3 took what larian did with dos2 and improved on everything, including the combat. Goat goes to Witcher 3 and Bg3 is up there tho, probably the best rpg since then.

I hope they skip divinity and make Bg4, we need the full level 20 experience.

[Quillithe]

Origineel geplaatst door Aria Athena:

I like action point systems in general, but DOS2 suffers from a serious lack of balance, a different kind than BG3 does. Midway through the game, you can use like 10 skills in round one and end any fight right there and then. Good luck balancing that ♥♥♥♥.

And that was still not as bad as DOS1. I remember lone Wolf Glass Cannon getting some absurd number of action points AND the lack of the much maligned armor system meant you just stunned every enemy on your first turn.

I liked the game but boy was the final act's combat busted

[jcw163]

I prefer the clarity of movement + action + bonus action personally. Loved Dos and Dos2 as well but i like the combat in BG3 more I think. The only thing i would maybe prefer is a bit more in the way of weapon skills

[Fluff]

Origineel geplaatst door Quillithe:

And that was still not as bad as DOS1. I remember lone Wolf Glass Cannon getting some absurd number of action points AND the lack of the much maligned armor system meant you just stunned every enemy on your first turn.

I liked the game but boy was the final act's combat busted

Yep, I remember having like 20 actions points if not more. But it didn't have silly armor system from 2nd and saving throws and effects worked realistically as a result so still liked that part more. But overall quality and world progresses with each Larian's game.

Hope to see their 4th and 5th cRPG game (they made non-cRPG before, Divinity
Dragonis Smth Smth was pretty good as well) on even better level.