Once again, just like in DOS, arrow effects are too much.

[Gilgamesh]

Arrow effects are way too powerful AGAIN. Big shocker. Why does Larian insist on giving each archer this OP ♥♥♥♥.

[Timmy the Tooth]

Arrow effects? You referencing the various types of 1 use arrows you can find all over? I haven't used them much, I haven't really needed to. I think once you get a firm hold on builds and how things play, the game is pretty easily steamrolled no matter what. The only fight I've had to reload in tactician is the one with the demon in Shars Gauntlet.

[Farsha]

Ranger is the weakest class it's good it has something extra at least when going archer route.
And they are hardly OP, most effect you can get easily in different way.
In 4 character party you will seldom even need to use them at all.

But they are great for solo playthroughs.

[Faefu]

stop rolling high damage then

[bunkerking]

I built Astarion as a Ranger with all the archer buffs, and I have to say, he becomes ridiculously OP with the Arrows of Many Targets and the Gunpowder arrows. 5 attacks in one turn of just regular arrows is OP, let alone those specialized arrows.

Gunpowder arrows are fun though, especially when I need to knock someone off a ledge from a distance.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Larian loves devices and consumables.

That way it doesn't really matter what class you play.

[bunkerking]

Originally posted by Farsha:

Ranger is the weakest class it's good it has something extra at least when going archer route.
And they are hardly OP, most effect you can get easily in different way.
In 4 character party you will seldom even need to use them at all.

But they are great for solo playthroughs.

Its not dude. Rogue is much weaker in battle mechanics. Unless you're disengaging and then re-engaging stealth attacks. But I think thats a bit cheesy. And even then, he would still not be more effective than a Ranger with archery buffs

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by Farsha:

Ranger is the weakest class it's good it has something extra at least when going archer route.
And they are hardly OP, most effect you can get easily in different way.
In 4 character party you will seldom even need to use them at all.

But they are great for solo playthroughs.

Oh boy do you clearly have no idea what you're doing.

Ranger sucks in 5e, Larian homebrewed the hell out of it in this game.
It's not even close to the weakest class and it's actually got some of the highest damage per round in the entire game if you build one right.

And the consumable arrows are outright nonsense. Arrows that mimic lesser restoration, arrows that instantly break concentration, arrows that silence, arrows that cause darkness, they literally just made a bunch of spells into consumable arrows.

Arrow of many targets and smokepowder arrows flat just shouldn't be things.

[Farsha]

Originally posted by Rick. R. Bracker:

Its not dude. Rogue is much weaker in battle mechanics.

Thief has 2 bonus actions, it's way better than a ranger.
And Rogues are great outside combat.
Ranger is the weakest and most bland class in DnD 5e. it always was.

But best is multiclass ranger with rogue, that actually makes for a great character.
Only reason to stay ranger after lvl5 is, if you really want to role-play as beast-master.

[Timmy the Tooth]

Originally posted by Farsha:

Ranger is the weakest class it's good it has something extra at least when going archer route.
And they are hardly OP, most effect you can get easily in different way.
In 4 character party you will seldom even need to use them at all.

But they are great for solo playthroughs.

Umm, if you think ranger is the weakest class you aren't building ranger correctly. My Ast ranger/thief popped down Yurgir on tactician in the opening round of combat. It's only slightly behind barb/thf throwing with tavern brawler.
Edit: opening round of combat ON HIS OWN..

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by Farsha:

Originally posted by Rick. R. Bracker:

Its not dude. Rogue is much weaker in battle mechanics.

Thief has 2 bonus actions, it's way better than a ranger.
And Rogues are great outside combat.
Ranger is the weakest and most bland class in DnD 5e. it always was.

But best is multiclass ranger with rogue, that actually makes for a great character.
Only reason to stay ranger after lvl5 is, if you really want to role-play as beast-master.

To that end though playing straight rogue is also pretty crap.
Two bonus actions is nice, but you get that at level 3.
What do you get past that? 3 more damage on sneak attack every two levels? na.

[Farsha]

Originally posted by Timmy the Tooth:

Umm, if you think ranger is the weakest class you aren't building ranger correctly. My Ast ranger/thief popped down Yurgir on tactician in the opening round of combat. It's only slightly behind barb/thf throwing with tavern brawler.

Yea exactly ranger/thief.
Not a ranger.
Just ranger is weak class.

[steelcoresoviet]

I kinda agree with OP here. In basic D&D, arrows are single target effects, they are basically damage transfer spells. So if you have a fire arrow, you deal fire damage to a target, and it's not this silly game of zones and artillery like we have now.

Discussion of class balance doesn't seem productive, as anyone with a ranged weapon can make use of these effects.

[Timmy the Tooth]

Originally posted by Farsha:

Originally posted by Timmy the Tooth:

Umm, if you think ranger is the weakest class you aren't building ranger correctly. My Ast ranger/thief popped down Yurgir on tactician in the opening round of combat. It's only slightly behind barb/thf throwing with tavern brawler.

Yea exactly ranger/thief.
Not a ranger.
Just ranger is weak class.

Thief is the weaker link in that build bud, by far. I take it for the +1 bonus action per round only. That's icing on a kick ass cake.

[Baldurs_Gate_2]

Fighter with Titanstring bow is pretty good with those special arrows.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by Timmy the Tooth:

Originally posted by Farsha:

Yea exactly ranger/thief.
Not a ranger.
Just ranger is weak class.

Thief is the weaker link in that build bud, by far. I take it for the +1 bonus action per round only. That's icing on a kick ass cake.

Cake without icing is just boring sweet bread.