Has the "Strong-Woman" trope run its course?

[srfrogg23]

Most of the warriors and melee characters are females while the spell casters and rogues are males. Ok, so most of the entertainment industry for male-oriented products these days has jumped on that bandwagon under the false pretense that they're doing something "new" and "different", or whatever. It's fine, I bought the game anyway and I'm enjoying it, but am I really the only one whose finding this trend to be pretty tiresome?

Why is the idea of women dying on the front-lines of combat so popular in today's entertainment industry? What kind of school did the writers go to where all of the jocks in their school were girls and the guys just sat around in the background? In what world are women the most brutal and violent gender while males are the passive intellectuals?

I personally don't find the "warrior woman" archetype to be intimidating like I would expect an axe-wielding barbarian or heavily armored knight to be. Take Karlach for example. Super bubbly. Pretty nice chick. I'd have a few beers with her. But, I just don't see her as being a "badass". She seems more like a Pick Me girl than anything else, really. Lae'zel seems worse. Scrawny. Generally cranky, but not particularly scary, either.

I think Orin might be the only female character in the game that I legitimately find intimidating. Not because she's brutishly strong, but because she's got that psycho-Harley Quinn thing going. She's a few sandwiches short of a picnic, if you know what I mean.

So, of course, melee combat, the thing that guys have historically been thrown on the frontlines to do is now reserved for women, so instead the males now sneak around or fling spells from the back while women half their size are expected to do all the fighting. I know it's a fantasy world, but there's really only so much I can do to suspend disbelief. What kinds of guys would be like, "hey you with the ovaries, yeah, you go first and get hit in the face with an axe while I hide behind you".

All in all, I think it would be refreshing to see the entertainment industry create characters and scenarios that are more reflective of the world we live in today.

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by Korgz:

Originally posted by Gracey Face:

DnD was always woke. That was one of WotC's design goals. Keep in mind they're a bunch of californian hippies (or at least were when they started).

My 1st/2nd edition rulebooks diagree with you, Woman used to have a lower maximum strength than men and were prohibited from certain classes.

Here's a quote direct from the 1e PHB.

"You will find no pretentious dictum here, no baseless limits arbitrarily placed on female strength or male charisma..."

(Though the game actually did have them, but what is "progressive" changes over time.)

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Imagine being so fragile you're afraid of "strong women".

Originally posted by Ackranome:

I still think Samus is hot.

Bruh...

[victorvnv]

I don’t mind strong women but I do mind when they try to set a standard to be like this. It’s funny that the males in my group are casters and they also made some of the best casters outfits to look like a prom queen dresses.

So fake and wyll stand back wearing dresses casting spells while Laezel and Karlach wear full plate armor as if it’s made from feathers bashing skulls in the front line and taking damage like it’s nothing .

Whilile in reality women almost never go to war, it’s always us men that do all the nasty work, most women wouldn’t last a day of training in the military… Seme btw goes for gay people , they talk alot and complain a lot online , yet almost none of them would actually dare to serve military and would crap themselves if they ever have to..

In a way I feel it’s disrespectful to those of us who served in the military to put men into inferior position as pawns to women, weaker than women and when in a hetero relationship it’s always a disfunctional one and we are the bad ones .

All because some people that never seen war complained online that they feel underrepresented .

[Gracey Face]

Originally posted by The_Gay_Agenda:

Show your mother, grandma, sister, etc this post. Ask them what they think about you now.

Not everyone had the same forebears as you my friend. Assuming they'd dislike this post is silly. Hell my grandmother was a working class woman who grew up in the 1920's. She was horrified by "progressivism" while she was alive and she died in the 90's.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Oh look, there's another one. How'd they escape the zoo?

[Big Mad Wolf]

Originally posted by victorvnv:

I don’t mind strong women but I do mind when they try to set a standard to be like this. It’s funny that the males in my group are casters and they also made some of the best casters outfits to look like a prom queen dresses.

So fake and wyll stand back wearing dresses casting spells while Laezel and Karlach wear full plate armor as if it’s made from feathers bashing skulls in the front line and taking damage like it’s nothing .

Whilile in reality women almost never go to war, it’s always us men that do all the nasty work, most women wouldn’t last a day of training in the military… Seme btw goes for gay people , they talk alot and complain a lot online , yet almost none of them would actually dare to serve military and would crap themselves if they ever have to..

In a way I feel it’s disrespectful to those of us who served in the military to put men into inferior position as pawns to women, weaker than women and when in a hetero relationship it’s always a disfunctional one and we are the bad ones .

All because some people that never seen war complained online that they feel underrepresented .

If you believe mages are pawns in DnD, you just reveal how little you know. Martial classes are the pawns in DnD.

[TapeWyrm]

Another pile of troll 💩

[Drakzen]

Not if it is done right.

- your issue with Lae Zel is an issue with all Githyanki male or female
- Astarions backstory would make 0 sense if he was a warrior type
- If someone large, muscular, on fire, shouting a battle cry and carry a 2 handed weapon you
would indeed sh*t yourself regardless of gender
- Wylls whole story is about fighting for the sake of the people. even going into hell to fight
the raging fire demon mentioned above and her being the one to run
- I have no idea about Halsin but for his appearance he looks ripped
- Gale is Gale and is much better as he is than some standard fighter archtype

And you are asking for the entertainment industry to ask make worlds reflective of the world today..............................which is why we are seeing more female warriors xD


What really matters is that the characters are done well and fit the story and its world which they do.

[Mister Zero]

Originally posted by srfrogg23:

Most of the warriors and melee characters are females while the spell casters and rogues are males. Ok, so most entertainment industry for male-oriented products these days has jumped on that bandwagon under the false pretense that they're doing something "new" and "different", or whatever. It's fine, I bought the game anyway and I'm enjoying it, but am I really the only one whose finding this trend to be pretty tiresome?

What kind of school did the writers go to where all of the jocks in their school were girls and the guys just sat around in the background? In what world are women the most brutal and violent gender while males are the passive intellectuals?

Is it really that effective though? I personally don't find the "warrior woman" archetype to be intimidating like I would expect an axe-wielding barbarian or heavily armored knight to be. Take Karlach for example. Super bubbly. Pretty nice chick. I'd have a few beers with her. But, I just don't see her as being a "badass". She seems more like a Pick Me girl than anything else, really. Lae'zel seems worse. Scrawny. Generally cranky, but not particularly scary, either.

Of course, melee combat, the thing that guys have historically been thrown on the frontlines to do is now reserved for women, so instead the males now sneak around or fling spells from the back while women half their size are expected to do all the fighting. I know it's a fantasy world, but there's really only so much I can do to suspend disbelief. What kinds of guys would be like, "hey you with the ovaries, yeah, you go first and get hit in the face with an axe while I hide behind you".

All in all, I think it would be refreshing to see the entertainment industry create characters and scenarios that are more reflective of the world we live in today.

bruh you triggered a ton of people. It would be funny if they weren't so suborn and serious.

Thing is though...there's noting wrong with strong women. Warrior or otherwise.

So long as it is written well. And BG3 is pretty well written. Not THE BEST, but pretty good.

[Devorlast]

Besides one female barbarian and one cleric (a very masculine class indeed) who are you even talking about? Jahera who's been a druid since BG1 came out in 1998? You know, you can have two little girls hanging out in your camp as well, are they intimidating to you too?

[Lust]

I never once thought about this during my 100+ hrs in the game. It is not that deep. Strong women have been represented in games since the 90s.

[ralinavenos]

Let's see:

1) Human Warlock who preaches about being a good guy, while being manipulated by a Devil.
2) Tiefling Barbarian who fought free of her captivity and is being hunted by said Warlock.
3) Wizard who is a walking magical time bomb because he overstepped the Boundaries of his Goddess
4) Fighter who is of a Planar Race that believes in martial prowess over all else (You cannot use Human metrics with Lae'zel. She is an extra-planar entity.)
5) Half-Elven Cleric who has had her memories locked while in service to her goddess
6) Elven Vampire Rogue who was taken advantage of for over 200 years, Reminds me of Elaith Craulnober (The Harper's "The Elven Shadow.")

Staying within DnD CGRPs, People are conveniently forgetting Strong Female characters such as Storm Silverhand, Dove Falconhand, The Symbul,,, Also forgetting there was a cameo by our favor OP Archmage Eliminster...

[Ackranome]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Imagine being so fragile you're afraid of "strong women".

Originally posted by Ackranome:

I still think Samus is hot.

Bruh...

https://preview.redd.it/samus-aran-using-some-familiar-prompts-v0-s56kpxbz3bm91.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=e18d3a7180ff0ef78f10510f5ae9bd1c512c9953

[marbeltoast]

The sad part of all of this is, people seem to honestly believe that women who are strong are ONLY written to prove some kind of point. That, for a woman to be strong is, in some way, extraordinary, and must thus be justified.

Like, take one of the more prominent side characters in the game, Auntie Ethel, the green hag.

She is powerful enough to serve as the boss for a side quest, while also being unarguably a female archetype, a shape-shifting crone residing over a swamp who'll offer you grim bargains and trick you with fey magics. I've yet to see anyone complain about her being unrealistically powerful.

[Lust]

Originally posted by victorvnv:

I don’t mind strong women but I do mind when they try to set a standard to be like this. It’s funny that the males in my group are casters and they also made some of the best casters outfits to look like a prom queen dresses.

So fake and wyll stand back wearing dresses casting spells while Laezel and Karlach wear full plate armor as if it’s made from feathers bashing skulls in the front line and taking damage like it’s nothing .

Whilile in reality women almost never go to war, it’s always us men that do all the nasty work, most women wouldn’t last a day of training in the military… Seme btw goes for gay people , they talk alot and complain a lot online , yet almost none of them would actually dare to serve military and would crap themselves if they ever have to..

In a way I feel it’s disrespectful to those of us who served in the military to put men into inferior position as pawns to women, weaker than women and when in a hetero relationship it’s always a disfunctional one and we are the bad ones .

All because some people that never seen war complained online that they feel underrepresented .

Wyll is literally called "The Blade of Frontiers" whom Karlach is afraid of. I notice you also skipped over the big burly man warrior who can morph into a bear - lmao