So Karlach and Wyll are kinda evil, I guess.

[BadScientist]

They both disapprove of handing Redhammer over to the Waveservants. The guy was a mass murderer (or at the very least a mass manslaughterer) and knowingly facilitated the torture, imprisonment, and enslavement of countless people. Yet Wyll and Karlach want me to let him get away scot-free? I just don't understand that.

[MASTERCHIEF]

I actually forgot the quest. I think he says that he was not directly involved. and the waveservents are not exactly benevolent, even their god. to be frank there is lot of information missing to make a informed decision.

[steelcoresoviet]

He was following legal orders issued by his Archduke.

And remember, you aren't turning him into the watch for judgement, this is an extralegal assassination.

[Ranpo]

Imagine this, you have bunch of protesters blocking a road and a speeding car runs over them. Is the driver evil? If you dig deeper, Umberlee followers are a bunch of freaks that love drowning people.

[Phero]

I don't even remember "Redhammer"

[BadScientist]

Originally posted by Ranpo:

Imagine this, you have bunch of protesters blocking a road and a speeding car runs over them. Is the driver evil?

Yes...

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by BadScientist:

They both disapprove of handing Redhammer over to the Waveservants. The guy was a mass murderer (or at the very least a mass manslaughterer) and knowingly facilitated the torture, imprisonment, and enslavement of countless people. Yet Wyll and Karlach want me to let him get away scot-free? I just don't understand that.

Well he did just help you save the lives of a bunch of innocent people and he didn't kill their priestess on purpose and they aren't planning on giving him a trial they just want to lynch him so yeah it's not exactly black and white here.

Sure he helped Gortash move prisoners but he made it pretty clear he only did it because they threatened to kill him if he didn't. As far as he's concerned Gortash could figure out how to pilot the sub so him telling him no and dying for it does nothing.

[Silyon]

Karlach has a thing for men with beards and he reminds Wyll of his fencing instructor.


Probably not the actual reasoning. Reasoning's probably closer to them being morally opposed to your allowing a guy to be murdered in cold blood without trial or humoring the cultish Waveservents desire for blood. What the guy did or did not do doesn't matter as much as what you decide to do to him.

[Yaldabaoth]

Originally posted by BadScientist:

They both disapprove of handing Redhammer over to the Waveservants. The guy was a mass murderer (or at the very least a mass manslaughterer) and knowingly facilitated the torture, imprisonment, and enslavement of countless people. Yet Wyll and Karlach want me to let him get away scot-free? I just don't understand that.

If you read about Umberlee a bit, you'll understand.

[Phero]

Originally posted by BadScientist:

Originally posted by Ranpo:

Imagine this, you have bunch of protesters blocking a road and a speeding car runs over them. Is the driver evil?

Yes...

"These guys are annoying, I should not be accountable if I murder them"

[BadScientist]

Originally posted by steelcoresoviet:

He was following legal orders issued by his Archduke.

And remember, you aren't turning him into the watch for judgement, this is an extralegal assassination.

No. Gortash was not archduke yet when this started. And even if he was, there was nothing legal about what he was doing. Redhammer was being paid to do it in secret.

[Yaldabaoth]

Originally posted by Phero:

Originally posted by BadScientist:

Yes...

"These guys are annoying, I should not be accountable if I murder them"

It's not accountability that is the problem here. You are handing over a murderer to a cult of demon goddess worshippers for torture and ritual sacrifice. The sahuagin that attack and kill townspeople at the beach in BG? Yeah, just a reminder to worship Umberlee a bit more.

[Glyph]

The Umberlee cultists are weirdos. Guy was cool. He lives in my book.

[Mizu]

Originally posted by steelcoresoviet:

He was following legal orders issued by his Archduke.

And remember, you aren't turning him into the watch for judgement, this is an extralegal assassination.

Adventurers deciding they don't like vigilante murder justice is kind of hypocritical, though.

[Tingly]

"This guy did bad things, therefore letting Satanists sacrifice him on their altar is Correct."

[BadScientist]

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

Originally posted by BadScientist:

They both disapprove of handing Redhammer over to the Waveservants. The guy was a mass murderer (or at the very least a mass manslaughterer) and knowingly facilitated the torture, imprisonment, and enslavement of countless people. Yet Wyll and Karlach want me to let him get away scot-free? I just don't understand that.

Well he did just help you save the lives of a bunch of innocent people and he didn't kill their priestess on purpose and they aren't planning on giving him a trial they just want to lynch him so yeah it's not exactly black and white here.

Sure he helped Gortash move prisoners but he made it pretty clear he only did it because they threatened to kill him if he didn't. As far as he's concerned Gortash could figure out how to pilot the sub so him telling him no and dying for it does nothing.

He could have driven the submersible away at any point and hidden it and himself until he could find someone to help. Instead, he decided to continue transporting more people to this prison, despite knowing what was happening to them.

EDIT: Also, we have no idea whether or not he meant to kill the priestess (or any of the other people he apparently ran over in the harbor). Unless there's some dialogue that I didn't get that says it was unintentional, that's just speculation.

Yeah, it would be better to hand him over to an actual authority instead of the Waveservants, but the actual authorities are currently under the control of Gortash.