Baldur's Gate 3

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👁 4 SEP 2023 a las 10:32 a. m.
Gale is a Gaslighting Narcissist
I felt like creating a thread about my least favorite person in BG3, Gale.

The first "romance" encounter with Gale is straight up gaslighting with magic, he tries to manipulate you with seemingly innocent "magic lessons" knowing full well the manipulation he's coaxing you into.

He's basically using enchantments to try to mind control a kiss out of you. It's shadier than Raphael using Fruit metaphors.

He's also arrogant and presumes himself infallible, even as he meddles in forces that could threaten the survival of the weave and carries the scars of past hubris.

When you discover Netheres research material you have a very narrow window to convince Gale that it's a bad idea, he'll say everything right to convince you to just keep an open mind and keep your options. By the time you realize he's fallen down a slippery slope it's too late to pull him back, his colossal ego won't let you.
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Metadigital 4 SEP 2023 a las 11:47 a. m. 
Man, I can't imagine what a privileged life someone must have lived if they think Gale represents someone who gaslights and manipulates others.

What kind of eggshells do people expect others to walk on for their benefit?
Zerostalgia 4 SEP 2023 a las 11:48 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por 👁:
The first "romance" encounter with Gale is straight up gaslighting with magic, he tries to manipulate you with seemingly innocent "magic lessons" knowing full well the manipulation he's coaxing you into.

He's basically using enchantments to try to mind control a kiss out of you. It's shadier than Raphael using Fruit metaphors.
What are you talking about? You don't have to imagine kissing Gale in that scene.
Publicado originalmente por BirdOfBantz:
That's because the writers and some of the developers may be reprobates.
What do you mean?
Carynara 4 SEP 2023 a las 11:50 a. m. 
100% disagree, I think he's a funny and intelligent character, I laugh at a lot of his lines. Actually I think he's one of the best written ones.
Pan Darius Cassandra 4 SEP 2023 a las 11:50 a. m. 
You're not wrong.
Timmy the Tooth 4 SEP 2023 a las 11:51 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Metadigital:
Man, I can't imagine what a privileged life someone must have lived if they think Gale represents someone who gaslights and manipulates others.

What kind of eggshells do people expect others to walk on for their benefit?
This pretty much summed up what I was thinking quite succinctly. But now that you've said it they will label you a predator and shun you.. SHUN SHUN, YOU'VE BEEN SHUNNED!!!
Wrayday 4 SEP 2023 a las 12:29 p. m. 
So you are totally okay with the Vampire assaulting you in your sleep, lying to you about it, even killing you if you let him go too far... but a guy flirting with you is across the line? Your brain.... there is something wrong with it.
👁 5 SEP 2023 a las 2:35 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Rex:
Change the sex of Gale, make her a woman, would you feel the same way?
Yes, gales sex wasn't really relevant to why I think he's the worst person in the game.
👁 5 SEP 2023 a las 2:51 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Wrayday:
So you are totally okay with the Vampire assaulting you in your sleep, lying to you about it, even killing you if you let him go too far... but a guy flirting with you is across the line? Your brain.... there is something wrong with it.
No but Astarion is a different kind of narcissist. He fronts vanity and confidence to hide that he's secretly hanging on your every word desperate for approval and validation.

And despite disapproving of every nice thing you do, to truly embrace his darker nature he needs you to assuage his guilt and ultimately literally be his eyes for the final act. He's not capable of following through on his own, he NEEDs you to be complicit.

Gale on the other hand is your prototypical "nice guy" who's blinded by his own ego and privilege. He thinks he'll always do the right thing, but he doesn't. He thinks he can't make mistakes, but he does.
DragonMaster 5 SEP 2023 a las 2:53 p. m. 
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Publicado originalmente por Darkaiser:
He speaks like a used car salesman from the first time we meet him. I never fully trusted him.
Right? He isn't exactly forthcoming either, even when he needs your help, and he's so damn manipulative about it.


I couldn't agree with you more. I'm curious as to what would happen if you don't give into his hunger of wanting to devour/adsorb all those magic items? I think in my next play through I'm going to find out. LOL
Metadigital 5 SEP 2023 a las 3:10 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por DragonMaster:
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm curious as to what would happen if you don't give into his hunger of wanting to devour/adsorb all those magic items? I think in my next play through I'm going to find out. LOL

All 3 of them? Then he leaves so that he doesn't blow you and everyone else up.
Grumpy Old Guy 5 SEP 2023 a las 3:18 p. m. 
Man sometimes I swear you all are playing a different game than I am because Gale in my game has been nothing but a bro.

He made a mistake, he's trying his best to fix it, and in the end he fully plans on blowing himself up to set it right and save the sword coast.

Very different character to what you are describing.

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Publicado originalmente por 👁:
Right? He isn't exactly forthcoming either, even when he needs your help, and he's so damn manipulative about it.


I couldn't agree with you more. I'm curious as to what would happen if you don't give into his hunger of wanting to devour/adsorb all those magic items? I think in my next play through I'm going to find out. LOL

He has a literal nuke in his chest that he has to feed or it's going to kill everyone? Would you want to be forthcoming with that kind of information with someone you just met?
Última edición por Grumpy Old Guy; 5 SEP 2023 a las 3:19 p. m.
Ka-mai19 5 SEP 2023 a las 3:19 p. m. 
The first "romance" encounter with Gale is straight up gaslighting with magic, he tries to manipulate you with seemingly innocent "magic lessons" knowing full well the manipulation he's coaxing you into.

He's basically using enchantments to try to mind control a kiss out of you. It's shadier than Raphael using Fruit metaphors.

Wha?

He's also arrogant and presumes himself infallible, even as he meddles in forces that could threaten the survival of the weave and carries the scars of past hubris.

Right. Just like Astarion is also full of himself seems glad to make a deal with the devil/use the tadpoles to become stronger. Like Lae-zael who is essentially intolerable unless you get her to come around. And like Shadowheart who also acts like a selfish butt in the beginning unless you build approval with her and are open-minded about her religion.

Most of the companions have flaws that make them unlikeable or irredeemable.

When you discover Netheres research material you have a very narrow window to convince Gale that it's a bad idea, he'll say everything right to convince you to just keep an open mind and keep your options. By the time you realize he's fallen down a slippery slope it's too late to pull him back, his colossal ego won't let you.

Eh I felt like I was dictating what Gale thought and believed more than the other way around. If you have him talk to the Mystral statue in act three you can basically convince him to approach the conversation apologetically, confrontationally, or cautiously. I also decided for him what he did with the crown too, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
👁 5 SEP 2023 a las 4:01 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por caev79:
The first "romance" encounter with Gale is straight up gaslighting with magic, he tries to manipulate you with seemingly innocent "magic lessons" knowing full well the manipulation he's coaxing you into.

He's basically using enchantments to try to mind control a kiss out of you. It's shadier than Raphael using Fruit metaphors.

Wha?

He's also arrogant and presumes himself infallible, even as he meddles in forces that could threaten the survival of the weave and carries the scars of past hubris.

Right. Just like Astarion is also full of himself seems glad to make a deal with the devil/use the tadpoles to become stronger.

Astarion is a different kind of narcissist, the kind that desperately needs validation and hangs on your every word mewling for approval but hides it behind a front of false bravado.

He prides himself on being a psychopath but he needs you to assuage his guilt and hold his hand and literally be his eyes to go all in on it. Still bad and all but no where near as dangerous as the kind of narcissist Gale is. Just by being in your party Gale is putting you at risk of a magical Chernobyl event.

Publicado originalmente por caev79:
Like Lae-zael who is essentially intolerable unless you get her to come around.

She's basically an alien fascist who's entire culture revolves around dominating and killing enemies of the Gith, but she's very up front about everything, she even tells you on the first night you camp that she'll attempt to take your life at the first sign of Ceremorphosis.

Publicado originalmente por caev79:
When you discover Netheres research material you have a very narrow window to convince Gale that it's a bad idea, he'll say everything right to convince you to just keep an open mind and keep your options. By the time you realize he's fallen down a slippery slope it's too late to pull him back, his colossal ego won't let you.

Eh I felt like I was dictating what Gale thought and believed more than the other way around. If you have him talk to the Mystral statue in act three you can basically convince him to approach the conversation apologetically, confrontationally, or cautiously. I also decided for him what he did with the crown too, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

That's the thing though, you acted in that narrow window in which he tries to persuade you to keep an open mind. You have to shut him down and push for reconciliation with Mystra there or you miss your opportunity to persuade him at all.

He makes a compelling argument for why he should be allowed to do the research, at a point when you can't be sure there's a better alternative or what the implications of the research would be.
gungadin22000 17 OCT 2023 a las 2:58 p. m. 
Just got to the part where Gale tells his backstory.

Jesus, who wrote this crap? He's not just the most naturally talened magician of his generation, he was ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the literal goddess of magic and he has a DARK SECRET OOOOOH.

He is also mother ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ level one.

Somebody at Larian should stop inserting their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ tabletop PCs into their video games. As a distraught questgiver or supporting character he could be tolerable, as a PC he is an abomination.
JBrown247 17 OCT 2023 a las 3:06 p. m. 
all the companions are cringe, but you can also kill them all.
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