NERE fight: a TOTAL GAME OVER

[SkgNovaLover]

So I played Bg3 for a while since game's out, on hard and I found the game indeed hard but doable. I defeat the three goblins lords, the bulette, the spider matriarch, the three ogres, the aladins of Tyr, the Hag.
Every time I reached those battles I always found a way to overcome the difficulty. Making a barricade, using explosive barrels, plain fighting, hitting some items around, beforehand planning, positioning...

But I am against Nere now. Cause I don't want just to use Metal Gear 3 The End cheese or let all the slaves die.

And I am completely stuck. There is no way to deal with such large number of enemies and such powerful abilities. Enemy hp is not the problem, the problem is they are too much and too much strong. And I cannot rest, and I cannot leave the Grymforge.

I tried different positions, different tactics, I tried to kill them before Nere but they are still too many.
So I asked for help. The only solution seems playing game on easy (on medium the power of Nere is still too much high) or find a duergar who wants to side with you. Problem is this dialog is already gone by accident cause I don't play a game within a step by step guide at my side. Also the fact I had to use a guide to know that is already not a good thing.

This is what I call a total GAME OVER: the game is done. No way to solve situation.

How do you solve a TOTAL GAME OVER?
You leave that game and go back in time. And make a new one from the very start or hours earlier, backtracking every possible outcome and re-doing every possible dialog in the correct way. So no choices. Only a path.

Otherwise you play on easy. No, sorry. Hard doesn't mean impossible.

I found only one game that presented me a TOTAL GAME OVER, even if I played within the best way possible. And that game now is a 2/10.

I don't want such an end for Bg3. Tell me there is a way to avid this TOTAL GAME OVER without re-playing part of the game within the "I already saw stuff" attitude.

EDIT: Ok, in the end what I read from discussions lead me to this solution. I have to reload before I enter the Grymforge and plan every move "knowing the future", replaying everything and talking again with everyone. Not that kind of problem workaround I like but that's it. As one said too many bridges were burnt by accident. This doesn't change the fact I cannot proceed in other ways without reloading. Too much resources were spent.

[Pieshaman]

My party was slightly wounded and nearly out of spellslots when I did him (on balanced)
I ran into the cave with everyone on nere, ignore all others.
Left my wolf in the circle outside to take some aggro and buy time.
kill nere within 2 turns (if you hurt him hard enough the 1st turn he will pop a scream shield and only do weak melee) I did a good hit with shadowheart necrotic touch thingy.
If you stay ranged of him you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥ cause he will do massive ranged attack with spell.
when you downed nere you can focus on all the idiots dashing to the cave as well.
then you throw everyting you got at them. (I throwed in a fireball and some powderbombs as well) and finish of any survivors with melee or close ranged spells.
and potion of speed helped too, making me do 4 shots instead of 2

[polenya]

I replayed this fight recently on a tactician save, and it was a way easier time than my first playthrough attempt (now that I knew what to expect)-
didn't talk to the Gnomes before attacking the Dwarves, so they avoided battle instead of joining (so they couldn't suicide with their meager HP/dmg), freed Nere after killing all the Dwarves, and Nere by himself was an easy fight (didn't have to kill him since I passed a persuasion check, but wanted his loot). Killing mind masters was a priority, since they cause the most problems.
Had a pretty strong team built as well, so I could keep up with dmg/healing: Lore Bard/Ranger Astarion with dual-crossbow build (does like ~40 per turn on average), Life domain Cleric respec Shadowheart with full healer gear (bless on heal, a bunch of extra healing), Evocation school Wizard Gale standard build (with Daredevil Gloves), Battle Master Fighter respec Karlach with great weapon master build. No cheese needed, just decent items/feats (and not fighting both Dwarves and Nere at the same time, that's pretty much a noob trap).

[Stiffmeister]

Originally posted by SkgNovaLover:

So I played Bg3 for a while since game's out, on hard and I found the game indeed hard but doable. I defeat the three goblins lords, the bulette, the spider matriarch, the three ogres, the aladins of Tyr, the Hag.
Every time I reached those battles I always found a way to overcome the difficulty. Making a barricade, using explosive barrels, plain fighting, hitting some items around, beforehand planning, positioning...

But I am against Nere now. Cause I don't want just to use Metal Gear 3 The End cheese or let all the slaves die.

And I am completely stuck. There is no way to deal with such large number of enemies and such powerful abilities. Enemy hp is not the problem, the problem is they are too much and too much strong. And I cannot rest, and I cannot leave the Grymforge.

I tried different positions, different tactics, I tried to kill them before Nere but they are still too many.
So I asked for help. The only solution seems playing game on easy (on medium the power of Nere is still too much high) or find a duergar who wants to side with you. Problem is this dialog is already gone by accident cause I don't play a game within a step by step guide at my side. Also the fact I had to use a guide to know that is already not a good thing.

This is what I call a total GAME OVER: the game is done. No way to solve situation.

How do you solve a TOTAL GAME OVER?
You leave that game and go back in time. And make a new one from the very start or hours earlier, backtracking every possible outcome and re-doing every possible dialog in the correct way. So no choices. Only a path.

Otherwise you play on easy. No, sorry. Hard doesn't mean impossible.

I found only one game that presented me a TOTAL GAME OVER, even if I played within the best way possible. And that game now is a 2/10.

I don't want such an end for Bg3. Tell me there is a way to avid this TOTAL GAME OVER without re-playing part of the game within the "I already saw stuff" attitude.

EDIT: Ok, in the end what I read from discussions lead me to this solution. I have to reload before I enter the Grymforge and plan every move "knowing the future", replaying everything and talking again with everyone. Not that kind of problem workaround I like but that's it. As one said too many bridges were burnt by accident. This doesn't change the fact I cannot proceed in other ways without reloading. Too much resources were spent.

its not a total game over considering most people won that fight lol.

[Zoid13]

easiest
you talk to all the dwarves and find the ones that arent happy with Nere cos he owes them money (they are the male and female talking at the top of the stairs just north on the outside of that room) and agree to help their group rebel and overthrow Nere. when the fight starts you get like 4-5 of them on your side helping you which makes it a very even and very easy fight even on tactician.

even without their help its very easy imo (you can even solo it on tactician...). much like the entire game.
i get that not everyone fully understands the mechanics of games like this but i find it unbelievable how much problems some people get even with the easiest difficulty setting that quite literally halves the enemy HP and doubles yours.
its plenty doable. keep at it. get creative. go beyond i" hit man with stick, man fall down" mindset. there's loads of ways to do combat in this game lol

[Mimic]

Originally posted by SkgNovaLover:

So I played Bg3 for a while since game's out, on hard and I found the game indeed hard but doable. I defeat the three goblins lords, the bulette, the spider matriarch, the three ogres, the aladins of Tyr, the Hag.
Every time I reached those battles I always found a way to overcome the difficulty. Making a barricade, using explosive barrels, plain fighting, hitting some items around, beforehand planning, positioning...

But I am against Nere now. Cause I don't want just to use Metal Gear 3 The End cheese or let all the slaves die.

And I am completely stuck. There is no way to deal with such large number of enemies and such powerful abilities. Enemy hp is not the problem, the problem is they are too much and too much strong. And I cannot rest, and I cannot leave the Grymforge.

I tried different positions, different tactics, I tried to kill them before Nere but they are still too many.
So I asked for help. The only solution seems playing game on easy (on medium the power of Nere is still too much high) or find a duergar who wants to side with you. Problem is this dialog is already gone by accident cause I don't play a game within a step by step guide at my side. Also the fact I had to use a guide to know that is already not a good thing.

This is what I call a total GAME OVER: the game is done. No way to solve situation.

How do you solve a TOTAL GAME OVER?
You leave that game and go back in time. And make a new one from the very start or hours earlier, backtracking every possible outcome and re-doing every possible dialog in the correct way. So no choices. Only a path.

Otherwise you play on easy. No, sorry. Hard doesn't mean impossible.

I found only one game that presented me a TOTAL GAME OVER, even if I played within the best way possible. And that game now is a 2/10.

I don't want such an end for Bg3. Tell me there is a way to avid this TOTAL GAME OVER without re-playing part of the game within the "I already saw stuff" attitude.

EDIT: Ok, in the end what I read from discussions lead me to this solution. I have to reload before I enter the Grymforge and plan every move "knowing the future", replaying everything and talking again with everyone. Not that kind of problem workaround I like but that's it. As one said too many bridges were burnt by accident. This doesn't change the fact I cannot proceed in other ways without reloading. Too much resources were spent.

I have got a solution for you! I managed to do this on my own just by RP'ing my character but you can use it to.

Go back to the docks where you entered the map and.... just.... kill..... the..... duergar......

In all seriousness though this is your solution. Enemies for some reason don't properly stay aggressive. I literally killed every single Duergar i came across on sight for being filthy slavers and every group was Neutral until i attacked.

It was super annoying since i was trying for an epic battle and instead got multiple tiny battles.

[Empukris]

There are very tall ladder just beside where Nere is, if you prep the battle one very basic strat will be to stand there, either block the ladder or destroy the ladder. Next either have char with high ini trigger the combat or use throwing weapon or grenade to destroy that stone. You can ignore the melee as they will take very long to reach you, you can make it even worse by putting some well position darkness or fog to block the range los. Bring a few boxes too. The rest is just focus fire on Nere or those mind controlling duergar. I able to do it in tactician with no allies with this.

For me the most annoying battle will be aunty ethel, if I want to win that battle legit with no cheesy tactics. Nere is not that hard because there are many high ground including the platform very high on top.

[Lhee]

Originally posted by Rex:

I beat it with crowd control. Hold person very powerful there. Nere was easy, the adds were not.

For me it was cause fear effects, had most of the enemies running right towards lava ledges which made it pretty easy to pick them off or ignore while I concentrated on the ones that were still fighting.

[ez game ez life]

Typical case of "git gud", lol.
It's definitly one of the harder battles in the game.
For me it was extra hard because I had no spell slots left but I didn't want to let him die by taking a long rest.
In retrospect, I could have used a lot of magic scrolls, not to mention potions of speed...

[Tingly]

I keep laughing at the title of this thread. Some real 90s video game media energy to 'A TOTAL "GAME OVER" '.

[Dorian Gray]

It is challenging, but Nere can be beaten.

Just finished the fight minutes ago (On Tactician)

Party Level - 6
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Wizard - Main (w/ quasit familiar)
Barbarian
Shadowxxx - Respeced as Light Cleric
Fruity Rogue - Respeced as Bard
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Used the horn to summon 3 Ogres.
Used the zombie-wand
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Is annoying though that the gnomes join the Duegar and you have to fight/kill them too.
grr....

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER!

[Hex]

You can get half the Duergar to join you if you talk to the Elder and agree to team up to kill Nere. It makes it laughably easy and you save the Gnomes too since you can then persuade him to leave them behind.

[toadstool]

Skill issue, I soloed that fight on tactician with a fighter.

[Renamis]

Why not just kill the duergar before freeing Nere? It even gives different dialog options considering he comes out confused at why everyone died.

[em_t_hed]

does everything with you have to be a confrontation? nere dies without you doing anything too.